Windows Vista Kills Unauthorised Apps

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Lester Stiefel, Apr 13, 2007.

  1. The latest I have noticed is that Windows Vista "Actively Kills"
    Applications that are not on M$ authorized list of partner applications.
    For this reason , Starting tomorrow I will be rolling back to Windows XP
    pro SP2.

    It (VISTA) is doing this against:
    RealPlayer
    Rhapsody
    News Rover
    Archivers, Splitters, Publishers

    Does this seem that Microsoft is on the warpath against all 3rd party
    software? YES

    Isay to everyone - DUMP M$ OS ASAP!!!
     
    Lester Stiefel, Apr 13, 2007
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  2. It is just that apps that are not up to par are not working correctly. It is
    up to the manufacturers of these apps to keep up with the current operating
    system technology, or be left behind.

    --


    Regards,

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
     
    Richard Urban, Apr 13, 2007
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  3. Have you bothered going to the manufacturers of each of these
    applications to see if they've provided Vista-compatible versions of these
    applications? Don't blame Microsoft because other software manufacturers
    are glacially slow to adapt; after all, Vista's development was delayed so
    often that no other software manufacturer has any reasonable excuse for not
    having Vista-compatible versions ready the day Vista was finally released.


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    Bruce Chambers, Apr 13, 2007
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  4. Forgot to ask: What happens when you try to run these incompatible
    applications in "WinXP-compatibility" mode? Did you even try?

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    Bruce Chambers, Apr 13, 2007
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  5. Forgot to ask: What happens when you try to run these incompatible
    Of course he didn't. He just wanted to rant.

    Steve
     
    Steve Thackery, Apr 13, 2007
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  6. Lester Stiefel

    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    I love RealPlayer. I love Rhapsody. Microsoft has nothing against those
    companies (coopetition is the way the software world generally works best).
    RealNetworks is about ten miles away from where I live. They've got great
    people who work there, some of whom are friends of mine.

    If you are having problems with a specific application, you should be
    specific about what's failing for you. Software is generally deterministic:
    if you can describe the symptoms adequately (and that is always the great
    challenge!) it's usually possible to make educated guesses as to what's
    going on on even remote systems that you don't have access to. It's
    certainly difficult - having direct system access is ideal - but -- the more
    pertinent data better provided, the better responses you can get.

    Bruce's comment about running in Compatibility Mode for those applications
    is a pretty sound one - you may also be interested in turning off Data
    Execution Prevention (DEP), which would allow an application to use memory
    badly but may get those specific applications running. If that *does* help,
    you really should contact the vendor for an update to their software. DEP
    is there to stop bad things from happening to your system.
     
    zachd [MSFT], Apr 13, 2007
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    Mark Rae Guest

    Yeah, every idiot's a critic...
     
    Mark Rae, Apr 13, 2007
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    Jason Parker Guest

    How does one run an app in "WinXP-compatibility" mode?

    Thanks

    Jason
     
    Jason Parker, Apr 13, 2007
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  9. Lester Stiefel

    Dave Cox Guest


    Right click the Executable and select properties, if it can be run in
    compatablity mode there will be a compatablity tab.

    Dave

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    Dave Cox, Apr 13, 2007
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    Kurt Herman Guest

    I'm running News Rover version 11.3 on Vista Home Premium just fine. Didn't
    even have to check compatibility mode. I do, however, install all my aps as
    Administrator. Maybe that was your problem.

    Kurt
     
    Kurt Herman, Apr 13, 2007
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  11. Lester Stiefel

    Dave Cox Guest


    Xnews
    HJsplit
    winrar
    winzip
    quickpar
    all work fine on my Vista machine
    The only program I seem to have an issue with is VLC media player
    under Aero, they say there is a work around for it but I'll just
    wait for an update. It's really no hassle to switch off Aero to
    watch a movie. OK OK porn ya caught me!!! lol

    WMP 11 works fine I just prefer VLC


    Haven't needed real player yet
    and don't need rhapsody so I can't input on those.

    Dave

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    Dave Cox, Apr 13, 2007
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  12. Are you related to Justin? You keep proving you're just don't know
    what you're talking about. Lot of that is this newsgroup.

    I have VLC media player and you don't have to "turn Aero off" to watch
    a movie. It happens automatically off and back on again with you doing
    nothing. Hint: It isn't VLC, its Vista that controls it.

    Geez... the misinformation that gets posted to this newsgroup is both
    shocking and amusing.

    Don't worry Dave, if you make more mistakes, I'll correct you. <grin>
     
    Adam Albright, Apr 14, 2007
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  13. Right-click on the shortcut that launches the application > Properties >
    Compatibility tab.


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    Bruce Chambers, Apr 14, 2007
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    Doris Day Guest

    Funny that in your sig you say that you don't speak for Microsoft, yet you
    appear to be trying to do just that above.

    You must have a pretty short memory in terms of the rocky relationship
    between RealNetworks and Microsoft. Let me remind you what took place just
    a few years ago ...

    "Real hits Microsoft with $1 billion antitrust suit"

    "In the suit, filed in federal court in San Jose, Calif., RealNetworks
    alleges that Microsoft has "pursued a broad course of predatory conduct
    over a period of years...resulting in substantial lost revenue and business
    for RealNetworks."

    RealNetworks CEO Rob Glaser The complaint adds that Microsoft has wielded
    its "monopoly power to restrict how PC makers install competing media
    players while forcing every Windows user to take Microsoft's media player,
    whether they want it or not."

    Full article here ...

    http://news.com.com/2100-1025-5129316.html

    The EU also appears to disagree with how chummy Microsoft has been with its
    competitors, as witnessed by the way it has had to clampdown on Microsoft's
    predatory business practices.

    I won't get into all the antitrust actions that have been necessitated by
    Microsoft's "business practises". It's all on the record and this article
    should refresh your memory ...

    http://news.com.com/Microsofts+antitrust+saga+continues/2100-1025_3-5129403.html

    So, bring on the competition, you say? Microsoft loves it. Well you could
    have fooled the world on that one.

    Love and Kisses,
    Doris
     
    Doris Day, Apr 14, 2007
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    Frank Guest

    Oh Doris, you harbor so much hostility over not being accepted at MS.
    Get over it girl! That much resentment will destroy you.
    It almost sounds as if you've been slumming again with those linux
    losers over at trash dot.
    Have you? Shame on you as you know Rock would be very upset if he found out.
    Maybe you should re-submit your MS app...then again you did so poorly on
    that test...oh never mind.
    Life is great!
    (burp)
    Frank
     
    Frank, Apr 14, 2007
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    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    *shrug* I'm here as a friend and peer and am not going to engage in much
    beyond trying to solve problems. If you're having problems with RealPlayer,
    RealNetworks can probably help with those. If you think those problems are
    caused by Microsoft, I'm intensely interested.

    I realize a lot of people externally have a lot of strong feelings here.
    That article from 2003 is cute, but it obviously behooves anyone from
    Microsoft to love RealNetworks and be their friend. Why worry about it?
    From my point of view, I'm happiest if RealNetworks work fabulously. I want
    you to have a great multimedia experience, end of story, regardless of
    client application. They've done a tremendous amount of good for the
    industry, and Rhapsody can be a breathtakingly great application. If you
    haven't tried it - do. It's a great application and can be great fun at
    parties. (Subscription-based music services are really tailor-made for
    parties.)

    If you want to talk specific problems you are having with RealPlayer, I'm
    all ears (although you should really probably talk to RealNetworks first).
    But beyond that - trying to stir up controversy is boring. It's in the best
    interests of everybody involved on every side if controversies get put in
    the past and the focus is put on solutions. <3

    Respectfully,
    -Zach
     
    zachd [MSFT], Apr 14, 2007
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    Charlie Tame Guest

    And exactly how is a developer to write for an OS that changes several times
    before being released in half finished fashion? Why would a developer spend
    many man hours writing applications or drivers knowing that MS would keep
    moving the goal posts? Even MS can't write successful apps in advance
    apparently - WLMD, Defender, OneCare and such. You just said that
    yourself...

    "after all, Vista's development was delayed so often"

    :)
     
    Charlie Tame, Apr 14, 2007
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    Charlie Tame Guest

    Yep, some of the best Spyware available :)
     
    Charlie Tame, Apr 14, 2007
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  19. Developers never heard of the beta process before? They do so by
    planning their work accordingly.


    The refinements and minor tweaks done over the last year of Vista's beta
    and release Candidate cycles hardly constitute "moving goal posts." Many
    developers did just fine; many others arrarently didn't bother to try.

    If you say so. I've no idea what "WLMD" might be, Defender works about
    as well as one would expect of a security app from Microsoft (iow, "just
    good enough", "minimally adequate," and "better than nothing"), and the very
    concept of One Care (turning one's computer's well-being over to an a
    disinterested corporate entity) flies in the face of common sense and the
    most basic of computer security practices; I'm not even tempted to test it.


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    Bruce Chambers, Apr 14, 2007
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