Windows Vista product key activation. Is it a 1 to 1 activation?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Installation' started by jw, Oct 1, 2007.

  1. jw

    jw Guest

    I purchased Vista U, and installed on my HP zv6000, however after installing
    I kept getting contious crashes, but unfortunately I had already activated
    the key. So now I am installing that same Vista U (same PID) on a new box I
    just bought and it tells me the PID is already in use and I need to try to
    use another key. On the HP zv6000 I am installing the OEM, but will this
    help...What can I do? Am I screwed...do I need to buy another copy?
     
    jw, Oct 1, 2007
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  2. You can get started with phone activation by typing "slui.exe 4"
    (w/o the quotes) in the Start Search box in the Start Menu and pressing
    Enter.
    The phone activation process takes about 6 minutes.


    I purchased Vista U, and installed on my HP zv6000, however after installing
    I kept getting contious crashes, but unfortunately I had already activated
    the key. So now I am installing that same Vista U (same PID) on a new box I
    just bought and it tells me the PID is already in use and I need to try to
    use another key. On the HP zv6000 I am installing the OEM, but will this
    help...What can I do? Am I screwed...do I need to buy another copy?
     
    Carey Frisch [MVP], Oct 1, 2007
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    Bistey Csaba Guest

    Well strictly following the EULA you cant transfer and install it to
    another machine:

    2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS. Before you use the software under a
    license, you must assign that license to one device (physical hardware
    system). That device is the “licensed device.â€
    A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate device.
    a. Licensed Device. You may install one copy of the software on the
    licensed device. You may use the software on up to two processors on
    that device at one time. Except as provided in the Storage and Network
    Use (Ultimate edition) sections below, you may not use the software on
    any other device.

    Csaba
     
    Bistey Csaba, Oct 1, 2007
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  4. OEM software is for system builders and if you are not a system builder it
    causes havoc when a pc goes down. I'm inclined to agree with Bistey in the
    assumption that the EULA doesn't allow you to move the OEM copy to another
    machine.

    Having said that, I would recommend that you follow Carey's advice and
    telephone the activation line to see if Microsoft will actually activate the
    system for you. Unfortunately, the telephone line is automated so you may
    get a negative response on first trying, 'but', and this is important, don't
    put the phone down; hang on there and you will be passed to a 'real' person
    to whom you can explain your situation. If the 'real' persons say's 'no you
    can't activate your copy of Vista' then that is the end of the matter. I
    know retail copies of the software are far more expensive but I would never
    recommend buying an OEM copy of the shelf.

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    John Barnett MVP, Oct 1, 2007
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  5. John,

    The quick answer to the original question, regarding transferring the
    license to another computer, is "it depends". If the software is OEM, then
    what it depends on, largely, is who answers the phone at the activation
    center. Some operators may, others may not. Strictly speaking, OEM is not
    transferable to different hardware; end of story.

    There are many parts to the Retail versus OEM equation, but the essence
    boils down to several points. OEM (as noted) is not designed for end users
    to install themselves. OEM is designed for companies who manufacture
    computers. Granted, an end user may choose to be their own OEM, by
    purchasing OEM software. When an OEM installs OEM software on a computer
    which they manufacture, then they are obligated to support that computer;
    Microsoft has no role in this. The OEM software license is tied, legally, to
    the first computer which it is installed and activated on; the one which the
    OEM has manufactured. If the computer becomes defective, unless the exact
    same hardware is available for repair (in which case it is essentially still
    the same computer), then the OEM software license expires along with the
    defective hardware. This is to protect the OEM manufacturer, who cannot
    possibly support hardware which they did not supply. It is for this reason
    (primarily), that OEM software cannot be transferred to another computer.

    By contrast, Retail software, purchased by an end user, and installed by
    them on their computer, has no OEM involved. Therefore, the license is
    directly between the end user and Microsoft, unlike OEM software, where the
    license is between the end user and the OEM. Since the Retail license is
    between the end user and Microsoft, support is provided directly by
    Microsoft. Since the software is fully licensed directly to the end user
    (without a hardware component), it can be moved freely between computers. It
    may require a call to the activation center, but since it is Retail
    software, the end user is fully able to move it as desired.

    Therefore, several things need to be considered. There is nothing to prevent
    an end user from becoming their own OEM; but... they need to fully
    understand what they are becoming involved with. If an end user wants to
    save money by purchasing OEM software, and not Retail, then they need to be
    willing to accept the fact that they will be quite limited as to what
    changes can be made. They cannot legally move it to a different computer;
    they will be limited in how many hardware upgrades can be performed before
    it becomes a "new" computer, hence no longer qualifies, they must provide
    themselves support.

    If an end user wants to be able to move the software at will between
    computers, or perform extensive hardware upgrades, then they really should
    purchase Retail. Yes, it is more money, but Retail allows all of those
    changes, as often as desired, and provides support directly from Microsoft.
    Unless someone knows precisely what the rules and processes are, then OEM
    can be a dead end. On the other hand, if someone is totally familiar with
    the process, then OEM can work fine. OEM software can have a limited life
    span (the life of the original hardware), Retail software exists in
    perpetuity.

    Perhaps one of the biggest traps waiting to ensnare someone, could be
    activating prematurely. A freshly installed version of Windows can typically
    be fully used for up to 30 days prior to having to activate (assuming
    automatic activation was not selected). If the end user finds within that 30
    day window, that Windows does not work properly, or otherwise meet their
    expectations, they can easily move the software to a different computer,
    again and again, until they find the computer and configuration which meets
    their expectations. Once OEM Windows is activated though, it becomes
    permanently tied to that hardware.

    With some careful foresight, planning and practice; the Retail versus OEM
    Windows experience does not have to be a bad one.

    John Baker
     
    JRB Associates, Oct 1, 2007
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  6. jw

    jw Guest

    Sorry the copy of Vista is not an OEM copy.

     
    jw, Oct 2, 2007
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  7. jw

    Bistey Csaba Guest

    Iam sorry iam the one misunderstood something at the OEM part of your
    first post. If its retail then you can move to another computer (EULA
    telling you that too).

    Csaba
     
    Bistey Csaba, Oct 2, 2007
    #7
  8. jw

    Paul Smith Guest

    If it is an OEM version you purchased, as John points out this may activate
    after speaking to somebody or not.

    If it doesn't, depending on where you live in the world you may be able to
    get another copy or a refund from the retailer or supplier. For example in
    the UK you could argue the goods are not fit for purpose under the Sale of
    Goods Act, and get a replacement copy (with a new key and 'license) or
    refund if they're unable to deliver a suitable replacement.

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    Yeovil, UK.
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    Paul Smith, Oct 2, 2007
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  9. Paul, I doubt the sale of goods act would be of much use in this case.
    Relying on 'not fit for the purpose' doesn't really hold water because the
    software is doing exactly what it is supposed to do.

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    John Barnett MVP, Oct 2, 2007
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    Paul Smith Guest

    I disagree.
    Just because it is doing what it is supposed to do doesn't mean it is fit
    for purpose. If the user cannot get it activated on a machine that works
    with it, then it isn't fit for the purpose of which it was sold, i.e. to be
    able to use it.

    --
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    Yeovil, UK.
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
    http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
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    Paul Smith, Oct 3, 2007
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    Posted as a reply to:

    Windows Vista product key activation. Is it a 1 to 1 activation?

    I purchased Vista U, and installed on my HP zv6000, however after installing
    I kept getting contious crashes, but unfortunately I had already activated
    the key. So now I am installing that same Vista U (same PID) on a new box I
    just bought and it tells me the PID is already in use and I need to try to
    use another key. On the HP zv6000 I am installing the OEM, but will this
    help...What can I do? Am I screwed...do I need to buy another copy?

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    Windows Vista product key activation. Is it a 1 to 1 activation?

    I purchased Vista U, and installed on my HP zv6000, however after installing
    I kept getting contious crashes, but unfortunately I had already activated
    the key. So now I am installing that same Vista U (same PID) on a new box I
    just bought and it tells me the PID is already in use and I need to try to
    use another key. On the HP zv6000 I am installing the OEM, but will this
    help...What can I do? Am I screwed...do I need to buy another copy?

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    peter Guest

    Use the phone activation method and explain it to them
    They will issue a new Activation

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    in message news:...
     
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    Rick Rogers Guest

    Hi,

    From "Vista U" I am assuming you mean a retail box of Vista Ultimate. The
    error message occurs because you've already used the Product Key for a
    previous installation on a different machine. To resolve it, you must use
    manual activation and phone in for a new code. Click start and type 'slui 4'
    and hit <enter> to begin. Installing the OEM version on the HP system will
    not negate the previous activation.



    in message news:...
     
    Rick Rogers, Sep 17, 2009
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    j wrote:

    Windows Vista product key activation. Is it a 1 to 1 activation?
    01-Oct-07

    I purchased Vista U, and installed on my HP zv6000, however after installing
    I kept getting contious crashes, but unfortunately I had already activated
    the key. So now I am installing that same Vista U (same PID) on a new box I
    just bought and it tells me the PID is already in use and I need to try to
    use another key. On the HP zv6000 I am installing the OEM, but will this
    help...What can I do? Am I screwed...do I need to buy another copy?

    Previous Posts In This Thread:

    Windows Vista product key activation. Is it a 1 to 1 activation?
    I purchased Vista U, and installed on my HP zv6000, however after installing
    I kept getting contious crashes, but unfortunately I had already activated
    the key. So now I am installing that same Vista U (same PID) on a new box I
    just bought and it tells me the PID is already in use and I need to try to
    use another key. On the HP zv6000 I am installing the OEM, but will this
    help...What can I do? Am I screwed...do I need to buy another copy?

    You can get started with phone activation by typing "slui.
    You can get started with phone activation by typing "slui.exe 4"
    (w/o the quotes) in the Start Search box in the Start Menu and pressing
    Enter.
    The phone activation process takes about 6 minutes.

    I purchased Vista U, and installed on my HP zv6000, however after installing
    I kept getting contious crashes, but unfortunately I had already activated
    the key. So now I am installing that same Vista U (same PID) on a new box I
    just bought and it tells me the PID is already in use and I need to try to
    use another key. On the HP zv6000 I am installing the OEM, but will this
    help...What can I do? Am I screwed...do I need to buy another copy?

    Well strictly following the EULA you cant transfer and install it to another
    Well strictly following the EULA you cant transfer and install it to
    another machine

    2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS. Before you use the software under a
    license, you must assign that license to one device (physical hardware
    system). That device is the ???licensed device.??
    A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate device
    a. Licensed Device. You may install one copy of the software on the
    licensed device. You may use the software on up to two processors on
    that device at one time. Except as provided in the Storage and Network
    Use (Ultimate edition) sections below, you may not use the software on
    any other device

    Csab

    jw wrote:

    OEM software is for system builders and if you are not a system builder it
    OEM software is for system builders and if you are not a system builder it
    causes havoc when a pc goes down. I'm inclined to agree with Bistey in the
    assumption that the EULA doesn't allow you to move the OEM copy to another
    machine

    Having said that, I would recommend that you follow Carey's advice and
    telephone the activation line to see if Microsoft will actually activate the
    system for you. Unfortunately, the telephone line is automated so you may
    get a negative response on first trying, 'but', and this is important, don't
    put the phone down; hang on there and you will be passed to a 'real' person
    to whom you can explain your situation. If the 'real' persons say's 'no you
    can't activate your copy of Vista' then that is the end of the matter. I
    know retail copies of the software are far more expensive but I would never
    recommend buying an OEM copy of the shelf

    --
    John Barnett MV
    Associate Exper
    Windows - Shell/Use

    Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.or
    Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.or

    The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
    kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
    reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for
    any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
    use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
    mail/post..


    John,The quick answer to the original question, regarding transferring the
    John,

    The quick answer to the original question, regarding transferring the
    license to another computer, is "it depends". If the software is OEM, then
    what it depends on, largely, is who answers the phone at the activation
    center. Some operators may, others may not. Strictly speaking, OEM is not
    transferable to different hardware; end of story.

    There are many parts to the Retail versus OEM equation, but the essence
    boils down to several points. OEM (as noted) is not designed for end users
    to install themselves. OEM is designed for companies who manufacture
    computers. Granted, an end user may choose to be their own OEM, by
    purchasing OEM software. When an OEM installs OEM software on a computer
    which they manufacture, then they are obligated to support that computer;
    Microsoft has no role in this. The OEM software license is tied, legally, to
    the first computer which it is installed and activated on; the one which the
    OEM has manufactured. If the computer becomes defective, unless the exact
    same hardware is available for repair (in which case it is essentially still
    the same computer), then the OEM software license expires along with the
    defective hardware. This is to protect the OEM manufacturer, who cannot
    possibly support hardware which they did not supply. It is for this reason
    (primarily), that OEM software cannot be transferred to another computer.

    By contrast, Retail software, purchased by an end user, and installed by
    them on their computer, has no OEM involved. Therefore, the license is
    directly between the end user and Microsoft, unlike OEM software, where the
    license is between the end user and the OEM. Since the Retail license is
    between the end user and Microsoft, support is provided directly by
    Microsoft. Since the software is fully licensed directly to the end user
    (without a hardware component), it can be moved freely between computers. It
    may require a call to the activation center, but since it is Retail
    software, the end user is fully able to move it as desired.

    Therefore, several things need to be considered. There is nothing to prevent
    an end user from becoming their own OEM; but... they need to fully
    understand what they are becoming involved with. If an end user wants to
    save money by purchasing OEM software, and not Retail, then they need to be
    willing to accept the fact that they will be quite limited as to what
    changes can be made. They cannot legally move it to a different computer;
    they will be limited in how many hardware upgrades can be performed before
    it becomes a "new" computer, hence no longer qualifies, they must provide
    themselves support.

    If an end user wants to be able to move the software at will between
    computers, or perform extensive hardware upgrades, then they really should
    purchase Retail. Yes, it is more money, but Retail allows all of those
    changes, as often as desired, and provides support directly from Microsoft.
    Unless someone knows precisely what the rules and processes are, then OEM
    can be a dead end. On the other hand, if someone is totally familiar with
    the process, then OEM can work fine. OEM software can have a limited life
    span (the life of the original hardware), Retail software exists in
    perpetuity.

    Perhaps one of the biggest traps waiting to ensnare someone, could be
    activating prematurely. A freshly installed version of Windows can typically
    be fully used for up to 30 days prior to having to activate (assuming
    automatic activation was not selected). If the end user finds within that 30
    day window, that Windows does not work properly, or otherwise meet their
    expectations, they can easily move the software to a different computer,
    again and again, until they find the computer and configuration which meets
    their expectations. Once OEM Windows is activated though, it becomes
    permanently tied to that hardware.

    With some careful foresight, planning and practice; the Retail versus OEM
    Windows experience does not have to be a bad one.

    John Baker

    Re: Windows Vista product key activation. Is it a 1 to 1 activatio
    Sorry the copy of Vista is not an OEM copy.

    :

    Iam sorry iam the one misunderstood something at the OEM part of your first
    Iam sorry iam the one misunderstood something at the OEM part of your
    first post. If its retail then you can move to another computer (EULA
    telling you that too).

    Csaba

    jw wrote:

    Re: Windows Vista product key activation. Is it a 1 to 1 activation?

    If it is an OEM version you purchased, as John points out this may activate
    after speaking to somebody or not.

    If it doesn't, depending on where you live in the world you may be able to
    get another copy or a refund from the retailer or supplier. For example in
    the UK you could argue the goods are not fit for purpose under the Sale of
    Goods Act, and get a replacement copy (with a new key and 'license) or
    refund if they're unable to deliver a suitable replacement.

    --
    Paul Smith,
    Yeovil, UK.
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
    http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
    http://www.windowsresource.net/

    *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*

    Paul, I doubt the sale of goods act would be of much use in this case.
    Paul, I doubt the sale of goods act would be of much use in this case.
    Relying on 'not fit for the purpose' doesn't really hold water because the
    software is doing exactly what it is supposed to do.

    --
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    Associate Expert
    Windows - Shell/User

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    use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
    mail/post..


    Re: Windows Vista product key activation. Is it a 1 to 1 activation?

    I disagree.


    Just because it is doing what it is supposed to do doesn't mean it is fit
    for purpose. If the user cannot get it activated on a machine that works
    with it, then it isn't fit for the purpose of which it was sold, i.e. to be
    able to use it.

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    Re: Windows Vista product key activation. Is it a 1 to 1 activation?
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    http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/vi...g=en&p=&lcid=1033&req=89571-OEM-7333453-87283


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    Windows Vista product key activation. Is it a 1 to 1 activation?

    I purchased Vista U, and installed on my HP zv6000, however after installing
    I kept getting contious crashes, but unfortunately I had already activated
    the key. So now I am installing that same Vista U (same PID) on a new box I
    just bought and it tells me the PID is already in use and I need to try to
    use another key. On the HP zv6000 I am installing the OEM, but will this
    help...What can I do? Am I screwed...do I need to buy another copy?

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    Posted as a reply to:

    Windows Vista product key activation. Is it a 1 to 1 activation?

    I purchased Vista U, and installed on my HP zv6000, however after installing
    I kept getting contious crashes, but unfortunately I had already activated
    the key. So now I am installing that same Vista U (same PID) on a new box I
    just bought and it tells me the PID is already in use and I need to try to
    use another key. On the HP zv6000 I am installing the OEM, but will this
    help...What can I do? Am I screwed...do I need to buy another copy?

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    Use the phone activation method and explain it to themThey will issue a new
    Use the phone activation method and explain it to them
    They will issue a new Activation

    pk

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    Hi,From "Vista U" I am assuming you mean a retail box of Vista Ultimate.
    Hi,

    From "Vista U" I am assuming you mean a retail box of Vista Ultimate. The
    error message occurs because you have already used the Product Key for a
    previous installation on a different machine. To resolve it, you must use
    manual activation and phone in for a new code. Click start and type 'slui 4'
    and hit <enter> to begin. Installing the OEM version on the HP system will
    not negate the previous activation.




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