Windows Vista ultimate x64 Search engine issues - Search fails to index

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by cprTodd, Jun 18, 2009.

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    cprTodd Guest

    I've got an apparently "broken" search installation. So that I can skip
    through the normal "click the folder you want to index" type of answers,
    it's way beyond that. Let me give some background first. This is a new
    installation of Vista x64 Ultimate on this machine. I just installed it a
    little over a week ago after I got a blue screen of death that wouldn't
    allow any type of system restore, etc on the prior install. My prior
    installation on that machine was a Vista Ultimate x32 bit. The prior
    installation had the OS on the C: drive and I had moved "My Documents" out
    of a Windows XP onto the D: drive (D:\My DOcuments). In that prior
    installation, I left all Music, Videos, documents etc. under the original
    layout and just pointed the Vista "music", "documents", etc folders to the
    sub folders. I had no problem indexing on my prior version. I have a Vista
    64 bit Ultimate at work as well and IT has no problem indexing even under
    the default locations.

    On the NEW installation I just did, I decided to put everything on my C:\
    drive and leave everything as default. I created the machine under a local
    user (an administrator acct) and then after all the security patches
    completed, and I had applied service pack 2, I joined it to my Small
    Business Server 2003 network at home (different user, but also an
    admistrator both on the domain and on the local machine). I moved all of my
    original documents from the original D:\ drive into the Vista Users folder
    for my main network logon (Music, documents, videos, etc).

    Problem: This machine *cannot* see the Users's directory through windows
    explorer. It does, sort of, see my local logon profile directories, by that
    I mean see user TMontague and Documents, Videos, etc thorugh the start
    menu -- but, if I right click and do "explore", no folder for Users shows

    However, using a command window, I do see a C:\Users folder with 3 other
    folder profiles within. If I go to Windows Explorer and choose the View menu
    and show all files, and also show hidden system files, *then* I see users
    show up. That behavior is NOT the same as my work 64 bit machine. On my work
    machine I do not have to show hidden system files just to see the other user
    profiles. Remember, I am a full administrator with my logon and I have full
    control of all files and folders.

    And this strange hidden C:\USERS folder behavior seems to be impacting
    search because Search/indexing options sees the users folder (it's there in
    the search window, and it says exclude default) but there is nothing
    indexed. Indexing completes at about 1200 items -- it found my outlook
    folders and my onenote offline folders and those seem to have indexed, but
    nothing comes up from within my normal documents, music, or video folders
    where all my index items should reside. If I do a search for a Word
    document that's within my documents folder, nothing. If I navigate to my
    documents folder and choose search non-indexed locations, then it comes up
    by doucment name. I've even moved the indexing store to a different
    location and done a full rebuild but once again, it only finds about 1200
    items when it should be finding about 50,000 items.

    If I go to indexing options where I could click the USERS folder there -- it
    doesn't behave as at my work machine. On my work machine, if I click USERS
    in the lower pane, on the top part of the panel I am presented as list of
    users profiles I can chose to index and search. On the Vista x64 machine I
    am dealing with at home, nothing appears. Nothing at all.

    So I believe that the two issues of not being able to see other users
    profiles on a right click EXPLORE on the start bar is tied into why the
    Search also can't find it. I've tried doing a full reset of all search
    routines to the orignal default to no avail. Also, I have no security policy
    that would exclude this at my domain level. Also, I have the Windows7 RC 64
    bit ultimate on my laptop also joined to the same domain and it has no
    issues with indexing the user folders either.

    Anyone have any suggestions? Is there some registry key that might have
    gotten damaged?

    cprTodd, Jun 18, 2009
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    cprTodd Guest

    Really productive answer. Thanks.
    cprTodd, Jun 18, 2009
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    JEWboy Guest

    Vista = garbage
    JEWboy, Jun 18, 2009
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    +Bob+ Guest

    1. Make sure the folders are not really hidden
    2. Dump that assinine Vista search indexing and well as the useless
    Vista search interface. Install Agent Ransack. All better.
    +Bob+, Jun 18, 2009
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    cprTodd Guest

    I may have stumbled on the answer. Thought I'd share what I found out. Not
    all of the steps below may be necessary but I was throwing a lot of possible
    things to it and one or more of the following combinations of things seemed
    to do it.

    First, the folder/s C:\Users was somehow showing as hidden. That appears to
    be the root cause of the problem. How it got that way, I have no idea. But I
    stumbled on how to unhide it with a command which is this: attrib -h -s
    yourusernsame .

    I opened a command window through the start> programs file and did the
    command windows choosing as "run as administrator" rather than just clicking
    on it or typing CMD.

    Then I entered this command: attrib -H -S c:\Users.

    I also entered it for the other two profiles I wanted as well as a recursive
    one for my personal profile: attrib -H -S c:\Users\<username> /S /D

    Suddenly I saw the USERS folder appear in indexing, but when I attempted to
    look at it, indexing showed that it couldn't index because I needed to right
    click and select "index this folder" from the properties window. So I did
    that. I opened a windows explorer, now suddenly showing the users folder/s,
    right clicked on Users, clicked advanced and then chose Index this folder.
    Clicked apply and told it for that folder plus all sub folders and files.
    That finally done, the folders unghosted themselves in the indexing
    properties from control panel and I began to see the index counts increment.
    It hasn't totally completed so I can't absolutely say for certain everything
    is great, but my counts are now at 8700 and climbing where before it
    wouldn't go past 1200.

    cprTodd, Jun 18, 2009
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    cprTodd Guest

    Thanks for the info Bob. See the post I submitted back about the time you
    did. It did have to do with somehow the folders getting hidden. After
    unhiding it with a command and then applying indexing to the C:\users
    folder, it seems to be working.

    Was not aware of Agent Ransack. Will take a look.

    cprTodd, Jun 18, 2009
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    tripap Guest

    Thanks all. I've been running Vista Ultimate 32-bit for the past year
    and a half, fighting problems with seeing my user directory the whole
    time. I did not realize it had been marked as SH by default, so it
    didn't show up in lots of situations, such as trying to browse when
    defining ODBC entries. I do not understand why Microsoft decided to make
    one's own user directory invisible to everything but the system. I guess
    they figured if they gave me a couple of folders from that user
    directory, it would cover all possible needs. Using ATTRIB to remove the
    hidden and system flags makes life a lot easier.
    tripap, Jun 29, 2009
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