Windows XP (NL): Windows Activation Problem + Windows Automatic Update Problem = Very Slow Computer.

Discussion in 'Windows Update' started by Skybuck Flying, Jun 4, 2010.

  1. Hello,

    Today I visitted my mother for a nice dinner, after the dinner I wanted to
    show her something on the computer/internet.

    I noticed how the computer was extremely slow, and how the harddisk was
    rattling non-stop.

    First I was wondering if it was infected with a trojan or a scanner, this
    did not appear to be the case.

    Then I immediatly started wondering about windows automatic update since I
    never trusted it to function properly... I have seen my share of failures
    with it...
    however the computer is pretty much unmanaged so at least automatic updates
    protected it a little bit.

    I decided to go to the windows update website for manual updating to see
    what was going on... before I did that I stopped windows automatic updates
    to verify that it was indeed the culprit and yes it was the pc became fast
    again... I re-enabled it and went to the website.

    There it took a very long time before there was any feedback... it did the
    whole rattle thing over again... I took like 10 minutes or so...

    Then it displayed some warning/error message: "Windows Genuine Activation
    hulpprogramma failed".

    Apperently Microsoft now believes the computer is not genuine ?!? This
    computer was bought at a big retailer and should be genuine.

    Then it continued rattling...

    After having wasted 20 minutes of my life on this b.s. I decided it was
    enough and shutdown the iexplore.exe.

    For the time being I have disabled windows automatic updates so that the
    computer can function normally again.
    (This is on windows xp (NL) netherlands edition).

    I ask my mother how long this has been going on since my elderly sister was
    also complaining about it.

    It turns out this has been going on for one month !!!

    One full month of slow computer and Microsoft didn't even notice it ?! and
    did nothing about it !

    I am very unhappy about this.

    I have consulted with my mother... she wants to buy a new laptop so she can
    sit below... this would require additional wireless routers or so... but

    She wants windows 7 because she hard about it... However I told her Windows
    7 is a risk because of it's on-going-security problems.

    The old computer can then still be around for the kids to use when to come

    However windows xp nl 32 bit version is about to end it's life cycle.

    I said to her and decided that the old computer can continue to keep
    functioning until it gets trojaned/hacked and so forth...

    After that happens I might pirate the computer and install windows xp x64
    pro edition which at least is still supported and does seem to function

    However I always have windows automatic updates off and for good reason
    too... if I had it on my computer would have been toasted by Microsoft at
    least 2 times, maybe even more.

    Windows Automatic Updates/The cure seems to be worse than sickness...
    However without the patches computers would be trojaned.

    My mother was very smart... when she started about wireless routers she
    immediatly recgonized the dangerous:

    Wireless routers are unsafe... she wants to do banking across it...

    I told her... well safety has improved a little bit... but it's indeed weak
    protection... I concurred... you are a smart mother I said... :)

    All in all I am not happy with the situation.

    I believe Microsoft should be punished for:

    1. Wasting peoples time with defects.

    2. Security risks.

    Here is my advice for Microsoft/you for now in the future:

    In case of though legislation being introduced to go after Microsoft and
    it's malfunctions... it would be much smarter for Microsoft to focus on it's
    core components of it's operating system and make sure that those are
    working flawlessly instead of trying to create "bloatware" which simply
    increase attack vectors and requires more security patching.

    If computer do get infected by flash then at least it's not Microsoft to

    Do I believe my mother should pay 400 dollars/euro's for Microsoft
    Windows... HELL NO !!!

    The risks and costs of it to keep it working well are much higher...
    especially if I had to bill her for my time.

    Until Microsoft delivers an operating system which is 100.0000000% safe I do
    not believe people should have to pay for it.

    Instead Microsoft should be fined for putting people's time, life and money
    at risk.

    And yet Microsoft is the same company which wants it's software to run on
    cars ?!? ;)

    Don't make me laugh !

    Skybuck Flying, Jun 4, 2010
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    MowGreen Guest

    Have your meds kicked in yet ? Good. Nighty night.

    *-343-* FDNY
    Never Forgotten
    "Security updates should *never* have *non-security content* prechecked
    MowGreen, Jun 4, 2010
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    Doum Guest

    And you are your mother's computer guru?

    I feel sorry for her!
    Doum, Jun 4, 2010
  4. Skybuck Flying wrote:
    One can only imagine how unhappy you'd be and how much you b****h about it
    if Microsoft could (somehow) notice it...
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Jun 4, 2010
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    Daave Guest

    And *you* want to be *my* latex salesman?
    Daave, Jun 4, 2010
  6. Skybuck Flying

    MowGreen Guest

    VanDelay Industries. How can I help you ?

    *-343-* FDNY
    Never Forgotten
    "Security updates should *never* have *non-security content* prechecked
    MowGreen, Jun 4, 2010
  7. Daave wrote:
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Jun 4, 2010
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    Mike S Guest

    If you don't like Windows try Ubuntu. Otherwise try this:
    Mike S, Jun 5, 2010
  9. Ok, thx for the link I appreciate it... pretty ridicilous that this isn't
    even a microsoft page ! ;) :)

    Next time I visit my mother I will give it a try and see if it helps.

    I will have to visit her soon because next tuesday Microsoft will fix
    another 32 security holes !

    And suddenly I wonder what other holes have not been fixed yet because of
    this problem.

    Skybuck Flying, Jun 5, 2010
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    Mark Adams Guest
    Mark Adams, Jun 7, 2010
  11. A couple of days ago I was at my mother place again... and I tried to fix it
    and wasted another 1 hour and 30 mins of my life.

    I was unable to fix it.

    Windows update displays error: 0x800A01CE

    Apperently there is a windows update log... I collected both files and put
    them in a WinRar file so that maybe somebody
    could take a look at it and see what the problem is:

    The file is available on the following link:

    The folder is:

    Skybuck Flying, Jun 23, 2010
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    The remote server machine does not exist or is unavailable

    Is WinXP SP3 installed?

    What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
    subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)?
    What third-party firewall (if any)?

    Has a(another) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the
    computer (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Jun 23, 2010
  13. Hello,

    Thank you for your response I will look into it when the occassion arises.

    For now I will try to answer some of your questions:

    It's the home edition it does not have a server service ?
    I don't think so but I am not sure... I didn't install it myself manually.

    So it either came with automatic updates or not at all or it failed to do
    Somebody else installed Avast I think without my permission and it pretty
    much wrecked the machine...
    it became very slow... so I removed it and made the machine usuable again.

    The computer is shared/used/mainted by me (administrator/maintainer),
    mother, sister, brother, kids, and sometime maybe
    even other people.

    These people have lower rights to try and prevent system fuckups by them
    installing crazy shit... Windows does
    a pretty good job at that... I never really used such rights on myself,
    though I did experience NT's rights management at high school/college.
    It's kinda frustrating for the end user... a virtual machine where they have
    full rights might be nice... but then they cannot share their
    files/data/pictures... that
    might be a barrier... but then again I don't think they share that much.

    The benefit of windows is easy user-switching... very nice... an operating
    system which could actually run multiple virtual machines and then switch
    fast between them and maybe even share some data between would be very
    nice... Then I just install the operating system once for each person...
    give them full control... and if they **** up it's their problem. They also
    get to maintain their on operating systems... There is a little drawback
    though... if they have problems I might need to fix 5 machines :) instead of
    just one ;) :) More work for me... doesn't sound like a good plan to me...
    more rights for them they might like... but I am pretty sure they will do
    stupid things and get infected... so unfortunately for them I have to play
    mr. dictator and protect them from themselfes and their own stupidity :) I
    think they have come to accept it... maybe they even respect me a little bit
    more for it... or maybe they hate me for it... who knows :) I think the
    don't hate me though... they now just ask me and tell me to fix something.

    My brother for example said to fix "" something with flash not
    working... I am not sure what he ment... I have youtubbed on that machine
    before and it required flash... and it seemed to work... but adobe's flash
    has been having security issue's lately so maybe something got fucked up.
    Maybe during an update or so... or maybe windows fucked up and now flash
    ain't working ? Maybe ActiveX not working ? Maybe activeX was disabled
    during a security patch ?! Maybe home edition not supported anymore ? Maybe
    software update from microsoft assumes "server version" ?
    Hmm... I think so... it expired... and I think it was removed or so...

    Thanks for trying to help.

    Skybuck Flying, Jun 29, 2010
  14. By the way... I did try to re-install flash last sunday when I was there...
    (flash 10.1 I think it was)

    It totally failed with a very long error message/number... something like:


    (I also had problems installing the latest flash on my own machine... I
    managed to solve it somehow... I think I used
    a special program to fix it or so... I'll have to look into that... This
    could be unrelated to the windows update problem though.
    So this could just be a seperate issue with flash.).

    Skybuck Flying, Jun 29, 2010
  15. Wipe & reload.

    PA Bear [MS MVP], Jun 30, 2010
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