Wireless workstations dont get software installations from group policy

Discussion in 'Server Networking' started by ThatsIT.net.au, Mar 2, 2008.

  1. I have a few xp workstation using wireless, they don't seem to be able to
    get
    software installations while hard wired xp workstations do.

    My guess is that the software installation try to install before wireless
    connection completed

    any ideas?
     
    ThatsIT.net.au, Mar 2, 2008
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  2. Yes, I suspect you're right. Wireless can be problematic.Make sure you've
    got "always wait for network on startup & logon" enabled via group policy,
    and check the event logs & the results of an rsop.msc.
     
    Lanwench [MVP - Exchange], Mar 2, 2008
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  3. "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

    I have done this it does not seem to make any difference.

    its really frustrating me
     
    ThatsIT.net.au, Mar 2, 2008
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  4. Take a look the results of an rsop.msc and also check your event logs.

    Wireless is handy but in my experience it's not a true substitute for wired
    Ethernet in most situations.
     
    Lanwench [MVP - Exchange], Mar 2, 2008
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  5. "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

    I have done so,
    it either says that if could not find DC and gives a red error icon
    or it gives a yellow warning icon saying that it needs to reboot in order to
    appy software installations, but never seems to do so
     
    ThatsIT.net.au, Mar 2, 2008
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  6. Try gpresult. Also try dnsdiag (the XP version!).
    Do you *have* to be using wireless for some reason?
     
    Lanwench [MVP - Exchange], Mar 2, 2008
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  7. ThatsIT.net.au

    beoweolf Guest

    How large are the software installs? What is speed of the wireless
    connection?

    For 'practical' test, install a wire NIC, connect to the Ethernet see if one
    of the wireless nodes still has a problem downloading.

    Are you certain each class of PC, wired vs. wireless, has the same resultant
    policies when it comes to security (group policies). I would assume you, as
    I do, have a separate OU for wireless nodes. As with roaming policies, I
    wonder if there is a limitation QoS issue that is preventing network from
    initiating downloads on wireless network.

     
    beoweolf, Mar 3, 2008
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  8. In
    There maybe one or two issues going on. If the wireless are using the
    incorrect DNS addresses such as mixing them with ISP's DNS IP addresses, it
    would never be able to 'find' the DC(s).You haven't posted any configuration
    information, but just to remind you, the cardinal rule is to only use the
    internal DNS on all AD members and servers. Configure forwarding on your
    internal DNS servers to the ISP's. Otherwise, if using the ISP's in ip
    properties, expect problems.

    If everything is configured correctly, then I would look at the speed of the
    wireless connection. If weak, the GPOs may not apply. By default, everything
    expect security and password policies will not apply under 500k.

    For better assistance to get to the root of it, please supply the following
    information:

    1. Unedited "ipconfig /all" of one of your DCs and of a wireless laptop.
    2. AD DNS domain name.
    3. What type of wireless AP are you using? How is it giving the clients
    their IP addresses?

    --
    Regards,
    Ace

    This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
    confers no rights.

    Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT,
    MVP Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
    Microsoft Certified Trainer

    For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please
    check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.

    Infinite Diversities in Infinite Combinations
     
    Ace Fekay [MVP], Mar 3, 2008
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  9. "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
    Have done so it shows all gpo's are appled, is identical to wired
    workstations

    Also try dnsdiag (the XP version!).

    sorry could not find XP version

    but ipconfig shows it is getting correct dns and is resolving host correctly


    Yes, I can not lay wires to certain places
     
    ThatsIT.net.au, Mar 3, 2008
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  10. office 2003

    speed 2.0mb

    "Allow processing across a slow network connection" is selected also

    all works fine on wire


    no i have the same OU, i have a gpo on the OU thats has wireless settings at
    the moment it is set for all workstations later I will restrick it to a
    group of computers using security filtering

     
    ThatsIT.net.au, Mar 3, 2008
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  11. The workstation are configured via dhcp just as the wired workstation are
    and ipconfig shows them to be correct and identical


    You haven't posted any configuration

    yes thats is how it is set up



    speed is 2.0mb

    and "Allow processing across a slow network connection" is also enabled


    Windows 2000 IP Configuration



    Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : conway
    Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : augusta.local
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid

    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

    DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : augusta.local

    Ethernet adapter ADSL:



    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NETGEAR GA311 Gigabit Adapter
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B5-FB-CE-CD

    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 100.0.0.1

    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.0.0.0

    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 100.0.0.254

    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1

    Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:



    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit
    Controller
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-D1-F9-54

    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1

    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.0.0.0

    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1






    Windows IP Configuration



    Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : DWIGHT

    Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : augusta.local

    Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid

    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

    DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : augusta.local



    Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:



    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : IS89C35 802.11bg WLAN USB
    Adapter

    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-67-F0-56-94

    Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

    Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.101

    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.0.0.0

    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1

    DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1

    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1

    Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1

    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, 2 March 2008 9:31:35 PM

    Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, 10 March 2008 9:31:35 PM






    the ap is MSI brand it is set to AP mode.

    Shared and WEP



    Thanks very much
     
    ThatsIT.net.au, Mar 3, 2008
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  12. In
    Looks like the wireless and DNS addresses, as well as the Primary DNS Suffix
    matches the AD domain name. That's good. However I believe the problem *may*
    be the multihomed DC. Multihoming a DC can be problematic if not configured
    properly. It creates multiple entries in the DNS GC and LdapIpAddress
    records. I would consider different solution for your ADSL connection, such
    as a Linksys router (probably around $40.00) instead of the DC doing it.
    Besides, the PPPoE adapters causes issues with the MTU lower than 1500. Not
    saying this will be evident on the LAN side, but something else to consider.
    Below is my blog with some info and the subject and how to configure a
    multihomed DC.


    ********************************
    Multihomed DCs, DNS, RRAS servers.
    By Ace Fekay, Directory Services MVP
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Below are the manual steps in more detail, which I had outlined in the above
    paragraph:

    Honestly, multi-homed DCs are not recommended because of the associated
    issues that can occur, as you've encountered. We usually recommend
    purchasing an inexpensive Linksys, DLink, etc, Cable/DSL router to perform
    NAT for you, take out the extra NIC off the DC, but still let the DC handle
    DHCP (and not the router).

    Little background on AD and DNS:
    First, just to get this out of the way, if you have your ISP's DNS addresses
    in your IP configuration (DCs and clients), they need to be REMOVED.

    If the ISP's DNS is in there, this will cause additional problems.

    Also, AD registers certain records in DNS in the form of SRV records that
    signify AD's resource and service locations. When there are multiple NICs,
    each NIC registers. IF a client, or another DC queries DNS for this DC, it
    may get the wrong record. One factor controlling this is Round Robin. If a
    DC or client on another subnet that the DC is not configured on queries for
    it, Round Robin will kick in offering one or the other. If the wrong one
    gets offered, it may not have a route to it. On the other hand, Subnetmask
    Priortization will ensure a querying client will get an IP that corresponds
    to the subnet it's on, which will work. To insure everything works, stick
    with one NIC.

    Since this DC is multi-homed, it requires additional configuration to
    prevent the public interface addresses from being registered in DNS. This
    creates a problem for internal clients locating AD to authenticate and find
    other services and resources such as the Global Catalog, file sharing and
    the SYSVOL DFS share and can cause GPO errors with Userenv 1000 events to be
    logged, authenticating to shares and printers, logging on takes forever,
    among numerous other issues.

    But if you like, there are some registry changes to eliminate the
    registration of the external NIC. Here's the whole list of manual steps to
    follow.

    But believe me, it's much easier to just get a separate NAT device or
    multihome a non-DC then having to alter the DC. - Good luck!

    1. Insure that all the NICS only point to your internal DNS server(s) only
    and none others, such as your ISP's DNS servers' IP addresses.

    2. In Network & Dialup properties, Advanced Menu item, Advanced Settings,
    move the internal NIC (the network that AD is on) to the top of the binding
    order (top of the list).

    3. Disable the ability for the outer NIC to register. The procedure, as
    mentioned, involves identifying the outer NIC's GUID number. This link will
    show you how:
    246804 - How to Enable-Disable Windows 2000 Dynamic DNS Registrations (per
    NIC too):
    http://support.microsoft.com/?id=246804

    4. Disable NetBIOS on the outside NIC. That is performed by choosing to
    disable NetBIOS in IP Properties, Advanced, and you will find that under the
    "WINS" tab. You may want to look at step #3 in the article to show you how
    to disable NetBIOS on the RRAS interfaces if this is a RRAS server.
    296379 - How to Disable NetBIOS on an Incoming Remote Access Interface
    [Registry Entry]:
    http://support.microsoft.com/?id=296379

    Note: A standard Windows service, called the "Browser service", provides the
    list of machines, workgroup and domain names that you see in "My Network
    Places" (or the legacy term "Network Neighborhood"). The Browser service
    relies on the NetBIOS service. One major requirement of NetBIOS service is a
    machine can only have one name to one IP address. It's sort of a
    fingerprint. You can't have two brothers named Darrell. A multihomed machine
    will cause duplicate name errors on itself because Windows sees itself with
    the same name in the Browse List (My Network Places), but with different
    IPs. You can only have one, hence the error generated.

    5. Disable the "File and Print Service" and disable the "MS Client Service"
    on the outer NIC. That is done in NIC properties by unchecking the
    respective service under the general properties page. If you need these
    services on the outside NIC (which is unlikely), which allow other machines
    to connect to your machine for accessing resource on your machine (shared
    folders, printers, etc.), then you will probably need to keep them enabled.

    6. Uncheck "Register this connection" under IP properties, Advanced
    settings, "DNS" tab.

    7. Delete the outer NIC IP address, disable Netlogon registration, and
    manually create the required records

    a. In DNS under the zone name, (your DNS domain name), delete the outer
    NIC's IP references for the "LdapIpAddress". If this is a GC, you will need
    to delete the GC IP record as well (the "GcIpAddress"). To do that, in the
    DNS console, under the zone name, you will see the _msdcs folder. Under
    that, you will see the _gc folder. To the right, you will see the IP address
    referencing the GC address. That is called the GcIpAddress. Delete the IP
    addresses referencing the outer NIC.

    i. To stop these two records from registering that information,
    use the steps provided in the links below:
    Private Network Interfaces on a Domain Controller Are Registered in
    DNShttp://support.microsoft.com/?id=295328

    ii. The one section of the article that disables these records is
    done with this registry entry:

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netlogon\Parameters
    (Create this Multi-String Value under it):
    Registry value: DnsAvoidRegisterRecords
    Data type: REG_MULTI_SZ
    Values: LdapIpAddress
    GcIpAddress

    iii. Here is more information on these and other Netlogon Service records:
    Restrict the DNS SRV resource records updated by the Netlogon service
    [including GC]:
    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tr...proddocs/standard/sag_dns_pro_no_rr_in_ad.asp

    b. Then you will need to manually create these two records in DNS with
    the IP addresses that you need for the DC. To create the

    LdapIpAddress, create a new host under the domain, but leave the "hostname"
    field blank, and provide the internal IP of the DC, which results in a
    record that looks like:
    (same as parent) A 192.168.5.200 (192.168.5.200 is used for illustrative
    purposes)

    i. You need to also manually create the GcIpAddress as well, if
    this is a GC. That would be under the _msdcs._gc SRV record under the zone.
    It is created in the same fashion as the LdapIpAddress mentioned above.

    8. In the DNS console, right click the server name, choose properties, then
    under the "Interfaces" tab, force it only to listen to the internal NIC's IP
    address, and not the IP address of the outer NIC.

    9. Since this is also a DNS server, the IPs from all NICs will register,
    even if you tell it not to in the NIC properties. See this to show you how
    to stop that behavior (this procedure is for Windows 2000, but will also
    work for Windows 2003):
    275554 - The Host's A Record Is Registered in DNS After You Choose Not to
    Register the Connection's Address:
    http://support.microsoft.com/?id=275554

    10. If you haven't done so, configure a forwarder. You can use 4.2.2.2 if
    not sure which DNS to forward to until you've got the DNS address of your
    ISP.
    How to set a forwarder? Good question. Depending on your operating
    system,choose one of the following articles:

    300202 - HOW TO: Configure DNS for Internet Access in Windows 2000
    http://support.microsoft.com/?id=300202&FR=1

    323380 - HOW TO: Configure DNS for Internet Access in Windows Server 2003
    (How to configure a forwarder):
    http://support.microsoft.com/d/id?=323380

    Active Directory communication fails on multihomed domain controllers
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272294


    <==*** Some additional reading ***==>
    More links to read up and understand what is going on:

    292822 - Name Resolution and Connectivity Issues on Windows 2000 Domain
    Controller with Routing and Remote Access and DNS Insta {DNS and RRAS and
    unwanted IPs registering]:
    http://support.microsoft.com/?id=292822

    Active Directory communication fails on multihomed domain controllers
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272294

    246804 - How to enable or disable DNS updates in Windows 2000 and in Windows
    Server 2003
    http://support.microsoft.com/?id=246804

    295328 - Private Network Interfaces on a Domain Controller Are Registered in
    DNS
    [also shows DnsAvoidRegisterRecords LdapIpAddress to avoid reg sameasparent
    private IP]:
    http://support.microsoft.com/?id=295328

    306602 - How to Optimize the Location of a DC or GC That Resides Outside of
    a Client's
    Site [Includes info LdapIpAddress and GcIpAddress information and the SRV
    mnemonic values]:
    http://support.microsoft.com/?id=306602

    825036 - Best practices for DNS client settings in Windows 2000 Server and
    in Windows Server 2003 (including how-to configure a forwarder):
    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;825036

    291382 - Frequently asked questions about Windows 2000 DNS and Windows
    Server 2003 DNS
    http://support.microsoft.com/?id=291382

    296379 - How to Disable NetBIOS on an Incoming Remote Access Interface
    [Registry Entry]:
    http://support.microsoft.com/?id=296379


    Rid Pool Errors and other mutlhomed DC errors, and how to configure a
    multihomed DC, Ace Fekay, 24 Feb 2006
    http://www.ureader.com/message/3244572.aspx

    _________________________
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [MVP], Mar 3, 2008
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  13. wouldn't this be a problem for wired workstations also if that was the
    problem?

    also I have dns listening only on internal nic

     
    ThatsIT.net.au, Mar 3, 2008
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  14. In
    Running a multihomed DC is problematic and unpredicatable. If it's been
    running all these years without a hitch and no errors in the event logs, I
    would say you're lucky unless properly configured. Sorry to put it that
    way. There are other threads discussing this if you don't take my word for
    it. All engineers recommend against it. Just search for 'multihomed.'

    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [MVP], Mar 4, 2008
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