Wireless Zero Configuration still not fixed in SP1

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Networking' started by Annoyed-Gamer, Mar 22, 2008.

  1. This message is in regards to the Wireless Zero Configuration not being fixed
    in SP1.

    This is a serious issue for multiplayer gaming enthusiasts who play
    wirelessly. This system causes a lag spike in games that lasts between 1-3
    seconds and reoccurs EVERY 60 SECONDS. This is unacceptable! This makes
    playing games over a wireless connection completely unbearable!

    The problem goes like this. Every 60 seconds, via Wlan autoconfig (WZC), my
    computer (and ANY computer using Vista and wireless connection) attempts to
    find the best connection. During this time period, if you're doing something
    intensive with your connection such as playing a game, the connection spikes
    and causes an intermission between your game and the server you're playing on
    because your connection is being temporarily interrupted. There are no
    options to stop WZC from doing this. Manually disabling Wlan autoconfig
    causes you to be shut out from connecting to the internet at all.

    3rd party programs have been made to alleviate this issue, many complain
    they don't work, or only help a little. Some have offered help in the form
    of commands for use in the command prompt; these too fail to alleviate the
    problem. Microsoft seems to be the only ones who can fix this, and we want a
    fix ASAP. There should be an option to disable this scan from occurring. An
    option that allows us to maintain a connection to a specific connection
    without our system scanning for a new one every 60 seconds. Please let us
    know you are working on a solution.

    If you parse the internet for 60 second lag on vista, or vista wireless
    gaming time outs, or anything of the like, you will find there is an
    outstanding number of people experiencing this problem with no solution to
    it. I have no doubts in my mind, given how word-of-mouth the gaming
    community is, that this is just one of the many reasons so few have adopted
    Vista yet and prefer XP. Gamers are heralded by their peers as "tech gurus"
    due to their misconceptions. But, because of this, if a gamer says Vista is
    bad, the flock listens, after all, this person spends a lot of time with
    computers so they must know what they're talking about, right? While they
    may not in actuality, their opinion is still regarded as truth. This is
    where word-of-mouth takes on a life of its own and holds back sales! I can
    guarantee you if this issue is fixed swiftly and properly, with no trace of
    the problem existing after the "fix" many gamers will rejoice, and word will
    spread.

    Please take this issue seriously! I know that you will consider Wlan
    autoconfig to be "working as intended" but we are people, not numbers, and we
    want a real answer! No corporate responses, please! We deserve a solution!

    Thank you.

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    Annoyed-Gamer, Mar 22, 2008
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  2. Hi
    It is Not an OS issue, Wireless by the the virtue of its technology insert a
    lag into its traffic.
    If some one gaming is so important to him that he can not enjoy it with
    slight lag he should Not play over Wireless.
    You do not use a MiniCooper when you need to transport a tone of sand to a
    construction site. ;)
    Jack (MVP-Networking).
     
    Jack \(MVP-Networking\)., Mar 22, 2008
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  3. Annoyed-Gamer

    Bob F. Guest

    Jack,

    Can you explain "Wireless by the the virtue of its technology insert a
     
    Bob F., Mar 23, 2008
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  4. Annoyed-Gamer

    Vraedac Guest

    This is in response to Jack's comment.

    There is nothing about the construction of wireless networking technology
    that "inserts lag into it's traffic". It is absurd to ask someone to use
    different technology because the technology he is using is not working as
    intended.

    That being said, I think you have misinterpreted the gravity of this
    situation. I have been experiencing the same problem, and it cannot simply
    be addressed as a gamer experiencing "slight lag". This lag applies to the
    entire system: games, music, video, anything running on it. It completely
    interrupts all system processes for 1-2 seconds EVERY MINUTE, which is enough
    to prevent a music enthusiast from enjoying his music, and it is enough to
    not only cause "slight lag" for a gamer, but 1-2 seconds of system lag is
    enough to completely disconnect him from his server. The fact that WLAN
    AutoConfig cannot be disabled without causing a disconnect from the network
    is an inexcusable fault in Vista and must be addressed by Microsoft
     
    Vraedac, Mar 24, 2008
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  5. Annoyed-Gamer

    Bob F. Guest

    "Vraedac" and "Annoyed-Gamer"
    Did you unbind IPv6? Do you know how to do that? What else have you tried?
    What wireless components are you using. Some of them have not kept up with
    the standards and if a feature was missed by them and Vista uses it, then
    they will fail in different ways.
     
    Bob F., Mar 24, 2008
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  6. Annoyed-Gamer

    Barb Bowman Guest

    if you are using mixed mode b/g/n or b/g g and g/n must "stop and
    wait" for b traffic. it is a protection mechanism. see
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/expert/bowman_80211gspec.mspx

    better results are obtained by running in g only, g/n only or n only
    modes if the router supports it.

    --

    Barb Bowman
    MS-MVP
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
    http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
     
    Barb Bowman, Mar 25, 2008
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  7. Annoyed-Gamer

    Vraedac Guest

    I installed Vista Anti-Lag and it worked like a charm.

    I do know how to unbind IPv6, and no I hadn't tried that yet, but I'm not
    going to bother now because VAL has cured this problem, at least for the time
    being.
     
    Vraedac, Mar 25, 2008
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  8. Annoyed-Gamer

    Barb Bowman Guest

    Barb Bowman, Mar 25, 2008
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  9. Annoyed-Gamer

    Ebay Guest

    Im having those "60 seconds" lag spikes since i had this brand new
    computer and i can believe i bough a gaming computer with vista on it. I
    hoped months and months that it would be solved in an update, then i
    hoped Sp1 would be the ultimate solution. I then read that the sp1 would
    be fixing network bugs. I was so happy. Sp1 finally finished
    downloading. I open my games with a big smile. 10-15-25-50-60... The lag
    spike. I was almost crying
    I already sent a message to microsoft and they told me that the bug
    would probably be fixed in the Sp1.

    This is ruining my gaming experience.
     
    Ebay, Mar 27, 2008
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  10. Annoyed-Gamer

    JohnDavid Guest

    Another solution (workaround) is the use of Gibson's (www.grc.com) Wizmo
    multi-utility. It's "Wanlock" feature is used to disable the Wireless Zero
    Configuration service after a satisfactory wireless connection has been
    established.
     
    JohnDavid, Mar 27, 2008
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  11. Annoyed-Gamer

    Barb Bowman Guest

    have you set your router to g only mode as opposed to mixed b/g?

    --

    Barb Bowman
    MS-MVP
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
    http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
     
    Barb Bowman, Mar 27, 2008
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  12. Annoyed-Gamer

    Pavel A. Guest

    Ok, I've looked at Vista Anti-Lag by Julian Meisel (
    http://www.codecase.de )

    Basically it seems to use the documented API of Vista, WlanSetInterface, to
    set parameter
    wlan_intf_opcode_background_scan_enabled and maybe also
    wlan_intf_opcode_media_streaming_mode.

    This API is the documented way to suspend scanning by the OS WLAN
    configuration,
    and the device driver as well.

    This situation is similar to starting a long operation like backup or CD
    burning:
    there's some API that prevents the system from going to standby.
    Games or media apps that communicate over wi-fi are supposed to use the
    above API
    to avoid disruptions.
    Anyway, the intention to have the OS automagically detect and handle this
    have not
    been realized, so we just have to thank Julian for this very handy utility.

    Regards,
    --PA
     
    Pavel A., Mar 29, 2008
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  13. Annoyed-Gamer

    p3rseus Guest

    I too had this problem, I can't believe we had to resort to a third-party
    software for a fix, Microsoft should have provided something to fix this a
    long time ago. I switched to Vista as soon as it was out and I thought SP1
    would solve this, it didn't. I've always gotten the latest Windows OS out but
    this has taught me to be more cautious of future Windows releases. Anyways,
    thanks to whoever posted the vista anti-lag, after such a long time searching
    for a solution, it's about time. Hopefully Microsoft will respond better to
    issues like this in the future, it's such a simple fix too.
     
    p3rseus, Mar 30, 2008
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  14. Annoyed-Gamer

    jase.au Guest

    Annoyed-Gamer I fully agree.

    I am still having this problem. I have tried VAL, WLAN autoconfig, netsh
    commands and to no avail I still see the lag spikes in online gaming and by
    pinging my router.

    I have a DWL-G510 rev C pci wireless card (using DWL-G510 64bitVista Driver)
    and netcomm nb5 plus 4w modem-router under 64bit home premium.

    I would love to know MS official response to this issue, seems that a google
    / yahoo search on the matter yields lots of sites and complaints and still
    alot of gamers still experiencing the problem, even after trying the fixes.

    Please Please help ms as this is the most annoying vista trait, otherwise my
    vista experience has been great...
     
    jase.au, Apr 9, 2008
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  15. Annoyed-Gamer

    PhurBos Guest

    I have been following this problem for some time. I do not know much
    about computers but I have come to realise that this "wireless spike"
    problem every 1-2 minutes only occurs on PCI wireless cards. There seems
    to be absolutely no spikes on any USB wireless cards. I have tested this
    by borrowing/buying many different wireless cards out of sheer
    frustration.

    Hope this helps.
     
    PhurBos, Apr 9, 2008
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  16. Annoyed-Gamer

    Pavel A. Guest

    Could you post the models you've tried?

    Regards,
    --PA
     
    Pavel A., Apr 9, 2008
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  17. Annoyed-Gamer

    jase.au Guest

    I hope this isnt MS official response. This is not a matter of wireless lag
    but as Vraedac put it its about 1-2 sec of pause every 60 sec, which is
    enough to ruin a session of games and music...surely it is obviously a OS
    issue...no wonder this problem isnt getting a fix when we get un-constructive
    responses like this...poor effort.
     
    jase.au, Apr 14, 2008
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  18. Annoyed-Gamer

    Woka Guest

    Hi !
    I'm a french user of Vista Home Premium 64 Bits (SP1 included) and i confirm that this bug is very annoying.
    I tried Vista Anti-Lag, WLAN Optimizer and netsh command with no result.

    My PCI Wifi card is a Hercules HWGPCI-54 and the "Wifi Station Utility" doesn't work at all so i have no other choice than using the Vista integrated Wifi Utility.
    Those lags every 60 seconds can't let me play to my favorite online games.

    The spikes can be seen in HLSW as shows this picture:


    I have contacted Microsoft technical support, i have no response at the moment, Hercules technical support, they are searching why the 3rd party driver doe'snt work properly.

    Please, Microsoft, hear us, we are millions worldwide experiencing this problem.
    Could you make a tickable box to choose to scan every minute for networks or not, please !


    Post Originated from http://www.VistaForums.com Vista Support Forums
     
    Woka, May 1, 2008
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  19. Annoyed-Gamer

    Woka Guest

    Hi !
    I'm a french user of Vista Home Premium 64 Bits (SP1 included) and i confirm that this bug is very annoying.
    I tried Vista Anti-Lag, WLAN Optimizer and netsh command with no result.

    My PCI Wifi card is a Hercules HWGPCI-54 and the "Wifi Station Utility" doesn't work at all so i have no other choice than using the Vista integrated Wifi Utility.
    Those lags every 60 seconds can't let me play to my favorite online games.

    The spikes can be seen in HLSW as shows this picture:
    [​IMG]

    I have contacted Microsoft technical support, i have no response at the moment, Hercules technical support, they are searching why the 3rd party driver doe'snt work properly.

    Please, Microsoft, hear us, we are millions worldwide experiencing this problem.
    Could you make a tickable box to choose to scan every minute for networks or not, please !


    Post Originated from http://www.VistaForums.com Vista Support Forums
     
    Woka, May 1, 2008
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  20. Annoyed-Gamer

    thoth.au Guest

    Woka,

    Thanks for posting your problem. I check these posts and others regularly
    for any sign that a fix for this is imminent and yet to see any official ms
    response and possible fix, so I hope you keep us informed if you recieve
    anything constructive or helpful.

    Regards
     
    thoth.au, May 2, 2008
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