Wise Registry Cleaner vs AusLogics Registry Defrag vs CCLeaner?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Coderedpl, Sep 24, 2008.

  1. Coderedpl

    Coderedpl Guest

    Hello there,

    I've been looking around for a registry defragment tool/cleaner tool
    for windows vista to keep my laptop and desktop in top shape.

    Both are running Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit Edition.
    Both have at 4gb of ram (laptop has additional 1gig intel turbo flash
    cache for ready boost)

    I saw
    Wise Registry Cleaner
    AusLogics Registry Defrag
    CCLeaner

    What else is there?
    What's the most effective?
     
    Coderedpl, Sep 24, 2008
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    Paul Montgomery, Sep 24, 2008
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  3. if you are not confident enough to edit the registry manually, then leave
    well alone. Registry cleaners are not going to help and are more likely to
    cause problems than solve them. Personally I use CCleaner 'but' I only use
    the 'cleaner' section, I don't use the 'registry' cleaner.

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    John Barnett MVP, Sep 24, 2008
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  4. Coderedpl

    Coderedpl Guest

    Well I wouldn't say I'm not confident in doing it myself, but it woul
    definitely make my life easier
     
    Coderedpl, Sep 24, 2008
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  5. To do what? Remove "orphaned" entries??

    What will that do? How will it benefit your system?
     
    Paul Montgomery, Sep 24, 2008
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  6. Think your Registry needs "cleaning"? Read
    http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.
     
    Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM, Sep 24, 2008
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    Kayman, Sep 24, 2008
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  8. If you seriously want to keep your computers in "top shape," you don't
    ever want to use *ANY* registry cleaner on them. Period.

    A registry cleaner - even a safe one, should such ever be developed
    - is an exercise in, at best, futility. There is no real need for
    registry cleaners, other than to provide a profit to their
    manufacturers. On rare occasions, registry cleaners can be, in the
    hands of a skilled technician, useful, time-saving diagnostic tools.
    Otherwise, they're nothing but snake oil.

    Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
    specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
    bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
    using a registry cleaner?

    If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
    be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
    specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
    all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
    the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
    to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
    multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
    your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

    The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
    the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
    device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
    registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
    loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
    confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
    each and every change.

    Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
    automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
    experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
    Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
    of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
    maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
    experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
    no matter how safe they claim to be.

    More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
    automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
    computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been
    no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
    products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
    or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

    Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
    every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
    And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
    good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
    real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
    effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
    non-existent benefits.

    I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
    of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
    useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
    any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
    registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
    Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
    in the hands of the inexperienced user.


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    Bruce Chambers, Sep 25, 2008
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  9. Defragmenting is fine, but registry cleaning programs are *all* snake
    oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
    registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many
    people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to
    convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt
    you.

    The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
    removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
    it may have.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Sep 25, 2008
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  10. Defragmenting the Registry is worth doing. As for registry cleaner's they
    are, to be honest, a waste of space. After I replied to your post yesterday
    I downloaded Wise registry cleaner, and Auslogic.

    A quick test produced the following:

    Auslogic could claim back 11% of my registry by defragmenting it: Ok that
    was fine I allowed it to do that. Having said that I didn't detect any
    increase in startup speed.

    CCleaner. This I already use, but have never used the registry cleaner. On
    using the registry cleaner it flagged 4 errors. All 4 errors were MRU (most
    recently used) website URL's. I knew what they were so allowed CCleaner to
    remove them.

    Wise Registry Cleaner. I ran this and I flagged well over 100 errors. At
    least 50 of these it wasn't sure whether it could remove them safely or not.
    The remaining 50 it said could be deleted but as most of the entries were
    CLID's (which basically include a long string of numbers) without me
    actually noting the CLID and then manually checking the registry I wasn't
    prepared to let Wise registry cleaner remove them.

    That was a simple, quick, test, nothing scientific. But why did Wise
    registry cleaner flag so many registry problems compared to CCleaner? The
    chances are that Wise registry cleaner hit so many 'false positives' that
    removing them 'may' have caused more problems or me than leaving them. And
    why did Wise registry cleaner advise me that 50% of the flagged errors
    needed further consideration before 'I' took the decision to remove them. If
    the registry cleaner was any good it should make the decision for me not, as
    has happened here, start dithering!

    While I agree 'it would make life easier' there is still an element of doubt
    and, personally, I feel that that element of doubt isn't worth taking.

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    John Barnett MVP, Sep 25, 2008
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  11. Only 4? That's very difficult to believe, unless you've never
    installed/uninstalled anything much in the way of software on that
    machine. Did you have it set to check everything? I am running only a
    4-month-old installation and I get over 100 hits. System is trim and
    tight as a new drum.
    A more plausible answer: CCleaner is not set to make very aggressive
    checks, or it makes less complete checks than WRC does.
     
    Paul Montgomery, Sep 25, 2008
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  12. It wasn't over 100 hits... it was over 300 hits.
     
    Paul Montgomery, Sep 25, 2008
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  13. I just ran my own test.

    I let CCleaner run its check - took maybe 30 seconds. I let it delete
    what it found (about 300 items).

    Then I ran WRC using the default setup - it took 8 minutes and found
    an additional 495 items with 97 being "unsafe" to fix.

    I ran it again and had it run ALL checks - it took 11 minutes and
    found 838 items with 156 being "unsafe".

    It definitely checks more items than CCleaner.

    I don't plan on letting it fix a damned thing ;-)
     
    Paul Montgomery, Sep 25, 2008
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  14. Uninstalled WRC, restarted, ran CCleaner... it found six entries left
    over from the uninstall.

    Testing completed :)
     
    Paul Montgomery, Sep 25, 2008
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  15. Coderedpl

    propman Guest


    FWIW, I have used registry function in CCleaner on numerous occassions
    now and AFAIK never had a problem with it. One thing I have noticed
    (and not only with CCleaner but also other registry proggies I've tried
    out) is that they may not get all the broken links on the first pass;
    that is, removal of broken links on the first pass will then seem to
    generate other links that also need cleaning up....therefore I run
    multiple scans untill all error messages disappear.

    .......others MMV. :)
     
    propman, Sep 25, 2008
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  16. Yet another reason to NOT use a "cleaner". If it can't get things
    right on the first pass, it's no good.
     
    Paul Montgomery, Sep 26, 2008
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  17. Coderedpl

    propman Guest


    Yeah, sure, uh-uh, whatever......*plonk*
     
    propman, Sep 26, 2008
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  18. You're probably better at replacing flapper kits than you are at
    optimizing your computer.
     
    Paul Montgomery, Sep 26, 2008
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  19. Whether you believe it or not, Paul, 4 is the number of registry errors
    flagged. All option in the registry cleaner of CCleaner are ticked. Software
    is installed and uninstalled on this machine on a regular basis, however, I
    am not one for installing 'anything and everything' Software has to come
    from a reliable source I don't just pick a website and think 'hey I'll try
    that.' Software should also have a reliable uninstall application, that way
    most, if not all, of the application will be removed during the uninstall.

    I should also point out that a clean image of my hard drive is stored on a
    removable drive. This is kept up to date and my drive is re-imaged with the
    'clean' image every month or so, depending upon how much software has been
    installed or uninstalled.

    I agree that CCleaner may not have been as aggressive as WRC, after all, the
    registry option in CCleaner is somewhat of an 'after thought.' My test also
    wasn't in anyway scientific, if it had have been then I would have done a
    clean install of Vista then run CCleaner and WRC to see what was flagged on
    the clean system. Then I would have started installing software and checking
    again. Unfortunately I don't have the time to do that so my results were
    just to let the OP know what happened when using these two applications.

    When you ran WRC for a second time you got the results which are synonymous
    with most, if not all, registry cleaners - it found a whole lot more errors.
    But, at least we agree on one thing 'we don't plan on letting it fix a damn
    thing'

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    John Barnett MVP, Sep 26, 2008
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  20. I am the same way with software. It's probably the reason I have no
    problems with my system and why it runs as fast as XP did on the same
    hardware.

    However, when I find that I don't like what I've downloaded, I quickly
    uninstall it using either its uninstaller or Programs and Features
    (which probably uses the same thing),
    AHA! That would explain things a bit more.

    Thanks for the explanations.
    The second run used more of the options. The count of items on the
    default options didn't change.

    There were so many total options that it didn't even occur to me to
    try to check each one. And I wasn't about to let it do its thing,
    even though I have multiple backups (images AND clones) that are never
    more than 12 hours old.
     
    Paul Montgomery, Sep 26, 2008
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