WLM incredibly slow, resource hog, I must be doing something wrong

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by Big Al Mintaka, Jan 20, 2008.

  1. Hi Everyone,
    I'm trying WLM for the second time in a few months. I did a fresh
    download/install, but when I launched the program it still had some imported
    mail folders left over from the last time.

    I checked out what was in them and found that navigating the folders was
    extremely slow, as in 5-10 seconds just to expand/collapse folder trees. I
    decided should redo my imports from WM, so I sent all the imported folders to
    the deleted items folder.

    Then I selected the empty folder option. The WLM window went blank and it
    started maxing out the CPU at 80-90%.

    I presume it's emptying the deleted items folder but I don't know of any way
    to check this.

    Besides, I can't believe that the program performs so poorly when it comes
    to handling mail folders. I MUST be doing something wrong somewhere but I
    can't figure out what it is.

    Has anyone else run into this problem when handling mail folders in WLM?

    Specs:
    OS: Vista Ultimate
    PC: Dell Dimention 8300 3.2GHz 1GB RAM
    HD: 2 internal 250GB approx 150GB free ea
    USB HD: 4 external 300GB, scads o' space
    Other apps that might matter: Windows Mail (Vista version), Firefox,
    Kaspersky Internet Security (no activity there while WLM is working folders),
    Office 2007 (Outlook not installed)

    Thanks for your time in reading this,
    Big Al Mintaka
     
    Big Al Mintaka, Jan 20, 2008
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    Karl Guest

    Yes, I am having the same problems. I was just getting ready to post a
    similar comment. It seems to peg the CPU, churn the harddisk, and hog lots
    of virtual memory. The rest of the system grinds to a halt whenever WLM is
    doing anything. I was able to speed things up a bit by compacting the
    database, but it doesn't take long to bloat once again. It doesn't help that
    the auto compact on shut down fails more often than not, so I have to
    restart WLM just to force a database compact.

    I am sorry to say that I am not too impressed with WLM. It is big, slow and
    buggy. I'm sure that they tested it on a nice fast new machine with scads of
    RAM, but it just doesn't cut it on a 2GHz Celeron Laptop with 512MB of RAM
    (max).

    Inspiron 2650
    Windows XP Home/SP2
     
    Karl, Jan 21, 2008
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    osu9400 Guest

    WLM is very responsive on my XPSP2 Pro machine. However, I have 2.5 GB of
    RAM. The one thing I notice on your specs is that you are running Vista with
    only 1 GB RAM. In my Vista experience 2GB is the minimum. In fact, I found
    Vista slow in general with only 1 GB.
     
    osu9400, Jan 21, 2008
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    N. Miller Guest

    OS: MCE 2005
    PC: HP Pavilion m7590n Pentium D 3.2GHz 2GB RAM
    HD: 1 250GB, 1 750GB, 178GB free

    MS Internet Explorer 7, Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.11, SeaMonkey 1.1.7, Opera
    9.25.

    MS Outlook Express 6, Mozilla Thunderbird 2.0.0.9, Pegasus Mail 4.41.

    Copernic Desktop Search.

    Windows Live Mail does not go over 43% CPU use during start, and hovers
    around 25% CPU use during use.
     
    N. Miller, Jan 23, 2008
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  5. Hi,

    That's a good point RE the amount of memory. When I first upgraded to Vista
    I had the feeling that if I'd probably have to add some memory someday - IF I
    decided to keep Vista.

    I wasn't sure at first but now I'm leaning towards keeping it. Two changes
    helped a lot:

    1. I installed Xplorer2, which blows Windows Explorer out of the water. No
    more nonsense with losing folder views, that stupid "Navigation Pane" that
    doesn't obey folder views anyway, and a ton of speed.

    2. Vista SP 1. I think it's still in beta; whatever, the last few updates
    of SP 1 have increased performance and stability pretty well. Evidently all
    that free beta-testing by users is really starting to weed out the major
    problems.

    Well, I'm off to Dell to look at the memory upgrades. Thanks for that
    suggestion; even if more memory doesn't fix WLM, it'll still be a good thing
    for my system to have.

    Have a good one,
    Big Al Mintaka
     
    Big Al Mintaka, Jan 23, 2008
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    osu9400 Guest

    Keep in mind that 32 bit computer systems can only address 4GB of RAM. So if
    the the sales guy tries to sell you more than that, don't go for it. (Unless
    you are running a 6-bit system)

    2^32 bits = 4,294,967,296 = 4GB

    and, if my math is correct:
    2^64 bits = 17,179,869,184 GB!!! that is crazy!
     
    osu9400, Jan 23, 2008
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  7. Hey Mark,

    I see from the bulk of the responses that 2GB of RAM seems to be a
    prerequisite for Vista, let alone WLM.

    I've gone ahead and ordered 2 GB upgrades from Dell for both of my machines.
    The price was right, and besides, it's probably a good idea to bring my RAM
    up to snuff with Vista and the forthcoming apps that will take advantage of
    the OS.

    It's something I should have done from day one with these Dells, given all
    of the other processing capabilities I bought. A/V is my hobby, so I need a
    lot of realtime throughput just to do simple things.

    By the time the memory gets here I'll have a total of 4 email programs on my
    plate. Don't ask, it just happened! Anyway, Thunderbird so far looks like
    it'll be the eventual program of choice. I had to revive Outlook 2007 for
    an easy migration path for my message folders from Windows Mail to
    Thunderbird. Once I did that, I was looking at Windows Mail, Outlookk 2007,
    WLM, and Thunderbird.

    Well, at least there's a lot of variety to choose from.

    Meanwhile, the RAM is on the way.

    Thanks to everyone who posted here. Whether or not you specifically
    mentioned the amount of RAM, most of the system profiles showed at least 2GB.
    I got the message!

    Have a good one,
    Big Al Mintaka
     
    Big Al Mintaka, Jan 25, 2008
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  8. FYI, I have only 1GB RAM, and WLM works fine for me on Vista.
    However, I am very parsimonious about what I allow msconfig.exe to
    load in its Startup tab.
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Jan 26, 2008
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    osu9400 Guest

    If the price is right, then go for the full 4GB (if your PC supports that
    much).

    Also, you will want SP1 when it ships in a few weeks. It contains a number
    of performance patches which should help with various activities.
     
    osu9400, Jan 28, 2008
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    DarkSentinel Guest

    4GB of memory will only be useful if he is running the 64bit version of
    Vista. All 32-bit versions of Windows (XP as well as Vista) can only use
    about 3.1GB of RAM even though they have a 4GB address space. Depending on
    your system you may get a bit more or a bit less.

    Agreed on SP1, word is it's fixed a lot of problems some users were having.
     
    DarkSentinel, Feb 11, 2008
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    Tom Brown Guest

    I had the same problem (slowness) and when SP1 did not fix my problems with
    WLM and Vista, I downgraded back to XP. Then, I found that I could download
    WLM for XP and it reads all my emails (which OE would not).

    I now have the best of both worlds with WLM and XP running like a well-oiled
    machine. I'm a happy camper again after suffering with Vista for almost a
    year.

    Tom
     
    Tom Brown, Feb 13, 2008
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    Chester Guest

    Best of luck to you :( I have over 2GB RAM, Vista Ultimate 64, tons of
    drive space, etc, etc, and things slow to a crawl when WLM is loaded. Best
    alternative I've found is to use Windows Mail for newsgroup stuff, and only
    run WLM when and if I want to use client software for my Hotmail stuff.
     
    Chester, Feb 24, 2008
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