WLM Spellchecker, MS Office Packages, Office Updates.

Discussion in 'Windows Update' started by Ibex, Aug 19, 2008.

  1. Ibex

    Ibex Guest

    System: WinXP Version 2002 Pro SP3.
    Computer: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU
    E6550 @ 2.33GHz - 1.87GHz. 0.99GB of RAM.

    Re: Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003.
    Currently installed:
    1.Microsoft Tools
    2.Microsoft Office Word 2003
    3.Microsoft Office Excel 2003.

    I've got a Microsoft Office Suite 2007 CD but never installed it because the
    spellchecker in Outlook Express6 worked only in the French language.

    I just downloaded Windows Live Mail and like it a lot.

    Is Windows Live Mail working in harmony with Microsoft Office Suite 2007 and
    is the spellchecker working in the English language?

    If so, what is the best way to uninstall Microsoft Office Professional
    Edition 2003 (Size 171.00MB) ?
    There is *no* 'Remove' button on Add or Remove Programs panel.

    I also noticed that some (Office 2003) updates *can not* be removed from the
    Add or Remove Programs panel. Please advise as how to handle these
    particular updates.
    Should I uninstall the (Office 2003) updates which *can* be removed?

    Will my existing Microsoft Excel 2003 spreadsheets convert automatically to
    Microsoft Excel 2007 spreadsheets?

    Do I have to install Compatibility Pack for the 2007 Office system together
    with Microsoft Office Compatibility Pack Service Pack 1 (SP!)?

    Will the system automatically search for pertinent security updates?

    Can I expect any problems (known issues)?
    Or, would it be safer to leave 2003 installed and forget about the 2007

    Ibex, Aug 19, 2008
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    Bob Lucas Guest

    This response deals with the Windows Live Mail aspect only.

    Windows Live Mail includes its own spellcheck files so unlike Outlook
    Express, it does not require Microsoft Office programs for spellcheck
    capability. The installation of Office 2007 should not interfere with
    WL Mail in any way.

    However, English (US) is the default English spellchecker in WLMail. If
    you prefer a different spellcheck version (UK, Canadian, Australian,
    etc.), please return to this newsgroup for further instructions.
    Bob Lucas, Aug 19, 2008
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  3. I understand the fix for that is to simply reinstall the Office 2003
    Proofing tools, after installing Office 2007.
    Gary VanderMolen, Aug 19, 2008
  4. Ibex

    ...winston Guest


    ms-mvp mail

    Yes, separate programs, separate spell checker and dictionaries. OL, if installed, will by design become the default email client
    and attempt to do so, if changed from default, when OL updates are installed.
    - Insert the Cd may work, or an item on the Start\Programs menu may be available
    - Was this an OEM installed version ? Office 2003 retail by design when installed on W2K/XP provides an uninstall option via
    Either way is fine...since the updates modify Office files, those files will be removed once office is removed. IIRC, and as a a
    last resort, there is an Office 2003 removal tool in the Office 2003 Resource Kit
    Excel 2007 has the ability to open, read, edit, save Excel 2003 spreadsheet(xls) files.
    Excel 2007 by default saves files to its new extension and file format(*.xlsx).
    One can change the default(Office Button/Excel Options/Save)to use the 03 format as default.

    If Office 2007 is installed, then neither..only install the security updates for Compatibility Pack provided by Microsoft Update
    - why...the CP and CPsp1 are intended for installation on Office 2K, XP, Office 2003 and 2003 Viewers(Excel, Word, etc)to allow
    these earlier versions to open/edit and save 2007 file formats.
    As long as Windows Update(WU) is configured properly. If your question is about Office updates, then WU has to be configured(In XP
    to use MU instead or WU; in Vista MU is an option in the WU config panel). Alternately instead of MU, one can use the Office
    Update on the Office Online Web site
    Both function. 2007's has additonal features, a entirely different GUI, ..thus 2003 wrote skills will require some patience.
    ...winston, Aug 19, 2008
  5. The WLM Spellchecker is one of its best features.

    However in the future it should be upgraded to cover all words in the OED
    [Oxford English Dictionary].
    D. Spencer Hines, Aug 19, 2008
  6. Ibex

    Ibex Guest

    Thank you kindly.
    Ibex, Aug 20, 2008
  7. Ibex

    Ibex Guest

    In-line response

    No, it's not am OEM installed version. I now suspect the Remove button is
    not showing is because Office 2003 was installed only partially. I think
    (hope) when installing Office 2003 in its entirety the Remove button will
    Good advise, thanks.
    Okay, will do.
    This'll keep me busy for a while, thanks :)
    Ibex, Aug 20, 2008
  8. Ibex

    Ibex Guest

    Thanks for response.
    I am not considering using OE6 again and will stick with WLM.

    Ibex, Aug 20, 2008
  9. Ibex

    Ibex Guest

    Thanks for clarification.
    Kind regards...

    Ibex, Aug 20, 2008
  10. Ibex

    Beth Melton Guest

    If you install only the proofing tools from Office XP or Office 2003 you
    can't validate the installation. This results in the inability to download
    anything from Microsoft since it won't pass the Genuine Advantage test. You
    need to install something else that will trigger activation. However it
    doesn't make sense to install something if you don't need it. :)

    If you install proofing tools from Office 2000 then you'll encounter a
    conflict with SmartTags.

    I didn't test the proofing tools from previous versions so they may work but
    I suspect they'll have issues too.

    Currently, Microsoft's recommendation is to install proofing tools from a
    third party. Here's their KB article on this issue:

    Beth Melton
    Microsoft Office MVP
    What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

    Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:

    Beth Melton, Aug 20, 2008
  11. Interesting.
    It is very seldom that you'll see Microsoft recommend a third party
    solution in order to fix one of their own blunders. :)

    Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

    Gary VanderMolen, Aug 21, 2008
  12. Yes...

    Bad Precedent... <g>
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    Vires et Honor

    D. Spencer Hines, Aug 21, 2008
  13. Ibex

    ...winston Guest

    You're welcome.
    ...winston, Aug 21, 2008
  14. Ibex

    ...winston Guest

    If the op decides to return to OE(instead of the current choice to use WLM) and install Office 2007(with OL) and also the proofing
    tools from Office 2003, does this mean:
    a. Office 2007 will fail validation
    b. Office 2003 will fail validation
    c. both Office 2003 and 2007 fail validation
    d. Windows XPSp3 also fails validation

    If only (b), what would the person need to download from Microsoft.
    ...winston, Aug 21, 2008
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    Bob Lucas Guest

    That may be so. However, you can use standard Microsoft proofing files
    for various languages in Windows Live Mail, (including many variations
    of the English language), without installing Microsoft Office in its
    latest or any previous incarnation. There is no need to install third
    party spellcheck software.

    Windows Live Mail has its own built-in spellcheck files, which are
    totally independent of the Microsoft Office suite (or installed
    components from Microsoft Office). It follows that you don't need to
    physically install proofing tools from Office 2000, Office XP or Office
    2003 to use any of the standard spellcheckers in Windows Live Mail. In
    that respect, WLMail is completely different from Outlook Express.

    The default spellchecker is English (United States) - but you can add
    Korean, French, German and/or Spanish from a short list of other
    languages. Furthermore, it is not difficult to chnage the English
    spellchecker from English (United States) to English (United Kingdom) or
    English (Canada).

    Office 2007 does not interfere with spellchecking in WLMail. - and there
    for English, French, German and Spanish, there is no need to attempt a
    separate or partial installation of proofing tools from Office 2000 or
    Office 2003. For languages that are not included as standard options in
    WLMail (such as Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, etc.), Windows Live Mail can
    use local LEX and DLL files from Office 2000 or 2003.

    For any additional language, merely copy the files from an Office 2000
    or 2003 installation disk (or from an installation of Office 2000 or
    2003 on the same, or another computer) - to the appropriate location in
    WLMail (see below) and edit the spell.ini file in that folder.

    You must create a separate folder for each language and for non-English
    languages, you would need to identify the decimal and hexadecimal IDs
    for each country. For further information, see
    (which deals with different variations of the English spellchecker).

    Bob Lucas, Aug 21, 2008
  16. That certainly requires clarification.
    Frankly I don't see why Office 2003 would even require validation
    since none of its main apps are installed, just proofing tools.

    Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

    Gary VanderMolen, Aug 21, 2008
  17. Ibex

    ...winston Guest

    I've only aware of conflicts with installing only the 03proofing tools on an XP/Off2K7 sytem are updates that may be deployed via
    MU or manually installed(via Msft download site or Office Online) or attempting to install and add-in from the Office on-line
    downloads sites that require Office GVA.

    As far as the later GVA issues with Off2K7 or Windows XP maybe Beth can clarify.

    ms-mvp mail

    ...winston, Aug 22, 2008
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    Beth Melton Guest

    How about e. Office 2007 and Windows will fail the Genuine Advantage test
    and you're unable to download anything that requires you to pass the test.

    If the OP wants to keep OE and install the Proofing Tools from Office 2003
    then they'd need to install more than just the Proofing Tools in order to
    trigger activation.

    Beth Melton
    Microsoft Office MVP
    What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

    Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:

    Beth Melton, Aug 22, 2008
  19. Ibex

    ...winston Guest

    So the presence of only the 03 Proofing Tools on an XP/Office 2007 system causes Windows and Office 2007 to fail even if
    downloading the updates manually from the Msft Download site even with Office using a separate Active X GVA add-on.

    Thanks...time to run a test on an XPSp3 system :)
    ms-mvp mail

    ...winston, Aug 22, 2008
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    Bob Lucas Guest

    This is becoming unnecessarily complicated.

    Outlook Express did not have its own spellchecker, and depended upon the
    spellchecker in Microsoft Office 2003 (or earlier). An installation of
    Office 2007 "breaks" the spellchecker in Outlook Express.

    Windows Live Mail has its own, dedicated spellchecker, which does not
    depend upon the spellchecker in any version of Microsoft Office.
    Consequently, a new installation of Office 2007 (or an upgrade from
    Office 2003) has no effect upon WL Mail.

    I accept that you would probably suffer conflicts, if you tried to
    install elements from Office 2003 and 2007 simultaneously on one
    computer. However, the presence of WLMail has no bearing whatsoever
    upon the decision whether to install Office 2007, in preference to
    Office 2003.

    Furthermore, I would be most surprised, if Microsoft Office conflicted
    with WLMail (or vice versa), because Microsoft Office XP, 2000, 2003 or
    2007 are entirely different programs from Windows Live Mail - and I see
    no reason why anyone might want to install both versions simultaneously.

    By way of additional information, the built-in spellchecker in WL Mail
    is available in a fairly short list of languages. If the OP wanted to
    add more languages, he could "import" or "copy" the relevant LEX and DLL
    files from Microsoft Office 2003 (or earlier). However, COPYING two
    files is an entirely different concept from attempting to INSTALL the
    proofing tools from Office 2003 (or earlier).

    There is no need to install Office 2003 (or earlier) - merely copy the
    relevant LEX and DLL spell-check files to the "C:\Documents and
    Settings\[User Name]\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows
    Live Mail\Proof\prf0xxx\1" folder (where "0xxx" in "prf0xxx" is a
    variable that defines the language).

    Bob Lucas, Aug 22, 2008
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