WLM Spellchecker, MS Office Packages, Office Updates.

Discussion in 'Windows Update' started by Ibex, Aug 19, 2008.

  1. Ibex

    Earle Horton Guest

    ....winston, I have Office 2003 Proofing Tools installed on an XP system,
    with Office 2003. Outlook Express lists all 54 languages as available for
    spell checking. But looking in %ProgramFiles%\Common Files\Microsoft
    Shared\Proof one sees only 45 files and folders. These correspond to the
    five languages that I have actually used for proofing, either in Office
    applications or in OE. This seems to imply that OE is looking elsewhere to
    populate the list of installed (available) proofing tools. I don't see
    anything in the registry that might be of use to it in this regard.

    I do know that Office 2007 first, Office 2003 Proofing Tools second, is not
    a useful install order, not unless you have an image backup or a good system
    restore point handy. ;^) I haven't yet tried manually copying the proofing
    tools to the install directory above, but that would be something to try...

    Earle

     
    Earle Horton, Aug 24, 2008
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  2. Ibex

    ...winston Guest

    Actually the order is correct if the intent is to add a dictionary to OE on an XP system with Office 2007. I don't have Msn Premium
    installed thus can't comment.

    I just tested that scenario and it works fine. Spell check in OE for multiple languages.
    No GVA issues with XP or Office 2007(I installed all XPSp3 updates, all Office 2007 updates(3 not requiring Sp1, SP1, and 7 after).

    The only nuisance when installing the Office 2003 Proofing Tools(all else deselected) using the Office 2003 CD(not the commercially
    separately available Proofing Tools) ....even with only 45.8 MB of Office 2003 Custom installed(no Excel, Word, Powerpoint,
    Outlook, no other option except the Proofing Tools), WU will continue to offer Office Service Pack 3, 2003 Junk Mail Filter(current
    is KB955434, and any not requiring Sp3(e.g. KB907417).
    Someone, quite a while ago incorrectly suggested that one can use Add-Remove in XP to remove Office 2003 and the Tools will stay
    behind..Nada...doing so takes one back to original problem--OE is restricted to French.
     
    ...winston, Aug 24, 2008
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  3. Ibex

    ...winston Guest

    Sorry, I'm going to have to disagree..

    a, b, c, d, e, = Nothing failed validation.

    Clean install of XPSp3(slipstreamed cd from Sp2) and Office 2007 Professional on a spare drive.
    Outlook Express has only French spell check as expected
    Installed Office 2003 Proofing Tools using Office 2003 Std CD(Custom install, all deselected except Proofing Tools)
    Add-Remove shows 45.8 Mb for Office 2003
    OE now has all available spell checkers(English, English Australian, Spanish, etc)

    Windows Update(Microsoft Update) loads and validates fine and offers 3 Office 2003 updates and 14 Office 2007 updates(this was a
    fresh install thus it offers Sp3(2003) and Sp1(2007))

    Checking same on Office Online, passes validation and offers more 'potential updates' since it also shows those available if Office
    2003 Sp3 and Office 2007 Sp1 were installed.

    All Office 2003 were installed using Windows Update after installing Sp3.
    Office 2007 Sp1 installed using MU, which yielded 10 updates post Sp1
    Those 10 update were installed as follows:
    4 of 10 installed via MU
    3 downloaded manually via msft download site and installed offline
    3 installed via Office Online.

    XPSp3 updated via MU - 16 or 17 updates done successfully
    The last one of the 17 total...XPSP3 online validation can be tested by manually accessing this script update which requires
    validation prior to download.
    http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=951978
    - ie. it attempting to download it manually requires validation and Active X install, just as WU/MU does.
    KB951978 installed fine.

    --
    ...winston
    ms-mvp mail


     
    ...winston, Aug 24, 2008
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  4. Ibex

    Earle Horton Guest

    Manually copying the dictionaries to the install directory,
    %ProgramFiles%\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Proof might be worth trying
    too.

    Good job.

    Earle
     
    Earle Horton, Aug 24, 2008
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  5. Ibex

    Beth Melton Guest

    Since it's the failure of the Genuine Advantage Test that prevents you from
    obtaining the downloads I'm fairly certain if you can get the updates
    downloaded you can install them. And I know most of the security updates
    don't force the Genuine Advantage Test. (When I said "you can't download
    anything" -- I meant "download anything that requires the test.)

    I say, "fairly certain" because I haven't tested this scenario (I'm only
    100% on things I've witnessed with my own eyes ;-)), but I know the
    rationale behind the Genuine Advantage Test isn't to prevent folks from
    getting updates installed, it's to provide an advantage, such as download
    templates from the Template Gallery, ClipArt, etc, to those who have what
    their test considers "genuine".
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Beth Melton
    Microsoft Office MVP
    https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
    What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

    Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
    http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/HA102295841033.aspx
     
    Beth Melton, Aug 26, 2008
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  6. Ibex

    Beth Melton Guest

    You know....I passed along what I encountered with the Proofing Tools
    installation to Microsoft along with a plea for the Genuine Advantage Test
    to not be so aggressive in its test back when folks were installing the
    Proofing Tools from a previous version of Office when Office 2007 was
    released and this issue with the OE proofing tools first cropped up. I asked
    if they could do something that disregarded components and check only if the
    version had the actual applications installed but since they were remaining
    firm on not offering a Microsoft alternative (that was my first mission on
    this issue) I didn't get my hopes up. <grin>

    If you were able to pass the Genuine Advantage Test with only the Office
    2003 Proofing Tools installed then they may have actually listened! :) I'll
    check to confirm and If I can get a definite answer I'll post back.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Beth Melton
    Microsoft Office MVP
    https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
    What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

    Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
    http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/HA102295841033.aspx
     
    Beth Melton, Aug 26, 2008
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  7. This doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

    Isn't the purpose of the GAT to prevent people who have unauthorized copies
    of Windows or other MS products, pirated copies or trying to use them on
    more than one machine -- from being able to upgrade those non-kosher copies
    of MS software?...

    Which is perfectly reasonable on Microsoft's part.
    --
    DSH
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    Vires et Honor


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    D. Spencer Hines, Aug 26, 2008
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  8. Ibex

    Earle Horton Guest

    "remaining firm on not offering a Microsoft alternative", does this mean
    that Microsoft intentionally left OE and MSN users without a spelling
    checker, just for some internal political reason? Byzantine.

    Earle
     
    Earle Horton, Aug 26, 2008
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  9. Ibex

    Kayman Guest

    This wouldn't surprise me at all. It is not unusual that in Multi National
    Organizations such as MSFT the Section Heads of the Commercial Department
    and the Program Engineers (Operating Department), are having conflicting
    opinions as they work for different goals.
    The Program Engineers are the pragmatic type, they develop things, they
    *know* things. They have to demonstrate high integrity in order to produce
    high quality software.
    The Advertising People know how to sell and push things. They mostly walk
    on a fine line but cross it frequently for the sake of the $ almighty and
    in the name of the share holders. The nature of their job prevents them to
    be moral and ethical.
    The goals of the Commercial Dept. are not necessarily in the best interest
    for the end user.
    Would MSFT recommend the use of registry cleaners if Mark Russinovich and
    Ed Bott had a say?
    Would MSFT recommend the use of PFW if Jesper M. Johansson and Steve Riley
    had a say?
    Would MSFT have included (lame) additions to their Windows Life OneCare
    application if their program engineers had a say?
    HELL NO!
    The Office 2007 / OE6 spell checker issue is just another example.
     
    Kayman, Aug 26, 2008
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  10. Ibex

    Earle Horton Guest

    Reword Beth's statement to read «The rationale behind the Genuine Advantage
    Test is to prevent unauthorized folks from getting updates installed, also
    to provide an advantage, such as download templates from the Template
    Gallery, ClipArt, etc, to those who have what their test considers
    "genuine".»

    Three words make such a big difference.

    Earle

     
    Earle Horton, Aug 26, 2008
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  11. Ibex

    Beth Melton Guest

    As a follow-up question, Winston did you actually download something that
    required the Genuine Advantage Test such as the template in this link?
    http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/TC101927481033.aspx?pid=CT101043261033

    If you used Office Online to obtain Office updates then you weren't required
    to pass Genuine Advantage for Office. Also, KB951978 requires Windows
    Advantage validation, not Office. I misspoke previously when I included
    Windows in the failure of the Genuine Advantage test since it uses its own.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Beth Melton
    Microsoft Office MVP
    https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
    What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

    Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
    http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/HA102295841033.aspx
     
    Beth Melton, Aug 26, 2008
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  12. Bingo!...

    Although it needs additional wordsmithing and grammatical smoothing.

    We're not just talking about some templates here.
    --
    DSH
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    Vires et Honor

     
    D. Spencer Hines, Aug 26, 2008
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  13. Ibex

    Earle Horton Guest

    You mean "Office", that Office has its own verification? That seems to be
    the case when one tries to download something from Office Online.

    Earle
     
    Earle Horton, Aug 26, 2008
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  14. Ibex

    Beth Melton Guest

    Oh, I suspect it has something to do with their attorneys and lawsuits. ;-)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Beth Melton
    Microsoft Office MVP
    https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton
    What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

    Guides for the Office 2007 Interface:
    http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/HA102295841033.aspx


     
    Beth Melton, Aug 27, 2008
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