WMP10 / WMA9.0

Discussion in 'Windows Media Player' started by Steve F, Sep 12, 2004.

  1. Steve F

    Steve F Guest

    I recently installed WMP10 and I'm very impressed with the new interface.

    One of the other MS products I use, however, is the MP3 Audio Converter (The
    full version from MS Plus!). Unfortuantely, with WMP10 being bundled with
    the new WMA9.1 codec, that is the only version of WMA that the Converter
    will now output.

    I use the converter to convert my MP3s so I can fit them all on a CD that my
    car stereo can read (It has an onboard MP3/WMA decoder). The stereo,
    however, can only read up through 9.0. Is there any way for me to keep
    WMP10 installed, but have the converter use the 9.0 codec? Perhaps a
    registry entry that I'm not seeing?

    Any help would be appreciated.

    -Steve
     
    Steve F, Sep 12, 2004
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  2. WMA 9.0, and WMA 9.1 use same WMA Standard syntax. So WMA9.1 files should be
    playable on that car stereo. If not, that would indicate a bug in the WMA
    decoder implementation on that stereo. Please try out, and post your findings
    in this group, along with the make/model information on the player.

    Thanks
    Naveen Thumpudi [MS]
     
    Naveen Thumpudi [MS], Sep 13, 2004
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  3. WMA 9.0, and WMA 9.1 use same WMA Standard syntax. So WMA9.1 files should be
    playable on that car stereo. If not, that would indicate a bug in the WMA
    decoder implementation on that stereo. Please try out, and post your findings
    in this group, along with the make/model information on the player.

    Thanks
    Naveen Thumpudi [MS]
     
    Naveen Thumpudi [MS], Sep 13, 2004
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  4. Steve F

    Steve F Guest

    Hmmm... I will try it one more time to make sure it wasn't a bad CD burn,
    but I am happy to give the model information...

    It is a Panasonic CQDF583U

    By the way, according to the stereo's manual, it supports:

    ..Windows Media Audio Ver. 2, Ver.8
    ..64k-192kbps bit rate (Non-VBR)
    ..32, 44.1, or 48 kHz sampling frequency
    (As of December 2002 - The manual's print date)

    The files that I know work are reported by WMP10 to be "Windows Media Audio
    9, 64 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo 1-pass CBR"

    MP3 Audio Converter is now spitting out files that report "Windows Media
    Audio 9.1, 64 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo 1-pass CBR"

    I also noticed that the WMA9.1 files were 2-3KB bigger than their WMA9.0
    counterparts.

    As I said in my first post, I have been having no problems with my WMA9.0
    files.

    Thanks for your help! I will post my second-trial results as soon as I get
    a chance to try it out.

    -Steve

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    Steve F, Sep 13, 2004
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  5. Steve F

    Steve F Guest

    Hmmm... I will try it one more time to make sure it wasn't a bad CD burn,
    but I am happy to give the model information...

    It is a Panasonic CQDF583U

    By the way, according to the stereo's manual, it supports:

    ..Windows Media Audio Ver. 2, Ver.8
    ..64k-192kbps bit rate (Non-VBR)
    ..32, 44.1, or 48 kHz sampling frequency
    (As of December 2002 - The manual's print date)

    The files that I know work are reported by WMP10 to be "Windows Media Audio
    9, 64 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo 1-pass CBR"

    MP3 Audio Converter is now spitting out files that report "Windows Media
    Audio 9.1, 64 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo 1-pass CBR"

    I also noticed that the WMA9.1 files were 2-3KB bigger than their WMA9.0
    counterparts.

    As I said in my first post, I have been having no problems with my WMA9.0
    files.

    Thanks for your help! I will post my second-trial results as soon as I get
    a chance to try it out.

    -Steve

    =========================================

     
    Steve F, Sep 13, 2004
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  6. Steve F

    Rob Swain Guest

    I am also having this problem. I have a Pioneer DEH-
    P8400MP stereo and have been happily playing media
    encoded by MP9 for a year. I have tried media encoded by
    MP10 and it will not play.

    Any suggestions appreciated.

    Regards,

    Rob.
     
    Rob Swain, Sep 13, 2004
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  7. Steve F

    zachd [ms] Guest

    Hm. I happen to know that that deck can't handle the Synchronized bit in
    the header (I've got the P940MP). WMP8/9 unset it when it shouldn't have
    been to coax the decoder used in that deck to keep working, but Naveen is
    right here. I don't know if it's the synchronized bit that's frustrating
    your deck, but that'd be my top suspicion.

    -Zach
    --
    (speaking for myself and doing this in my free time)
    See http://www.nwlink.com/~zachd/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
    Following up to your post with the resolution is good netiquette.
    This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
    Now Playing: "When She's Gone" by "Electronic" in Windows Media Player.
    --

     
    zachd [ms], Sep 14, 2004
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  8. Steve F

    foo bah Guest

    Hi.
    I too have the new wmp10, and have been ripping to mp3 192kbps for a
    while until i noticed my vbr feature had gone.
    Is there a way to get wmp10 to rip to mp3 vbr?
    thanks
    dave
     
    foo bah, Sep 20, 2004
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  9. Steve F

    Josef Guest

    Hm. I happen to know that that deck can't handle the Synchronized bit in
    Where in the header is this 'Synchronized' bit? I'm tempted to try and
    change it manually.

    I have the same problem: everything worked ok with WMP 9 but nothing works
    with WMP 10. Car stereo is Pioneer DEH 5500. I'm amazed how MS & Pioneer (I
    don't care whose to blame) can treat their customers so poorly...

    Cheers, Josef

     
    Josef, Oct 21, 2004
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  10. Steve F

    bish Guest

    since 'upgrading' to wmp 10 i have not been able to burn wma compilations to
    play in my pioneer dh7500mp car cd player.music that was encoded prior to wmp
    10 is fine so i assume the codec is different. music ripped as mp3 with wmp
    10 works, but the files are bigger etc...tried rolling back to wmp 9 but to
    no avail. wma encoded at 192 kbps. is there any solution? can i not use wmp10
    with the wmp9 codecs-if so how do i do it?!
     
    bish, Nov 13, 2004
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  11. Steve F

    bish Guest

    josef, sounds like you and i have the same problem! i have the pioneer deh
    7500, got it less than a year ago. since upgrading to wmp 10 i can no longer
    make compilations for the car unless they are in mp3 (which works ok) thing
    is most of my musicis in the (wmp10) wma format! called pioneer and they said
    it was to do with the Digital rights Management! i think this thread
    indicates otherwise! is there any microsoft solution? i've tried rolling back
    to wmp9(it worked fine before 10!) and it no longer works either! thanks to
    zachd for that bit of insight, any other suggestions? ideas? thanks in
    advance.

     
    bish, Nov 23, 2004
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  12. Steve F

    Josef Guest

    called pioneer and they said
    Correct. The guy from Pioneer was probably referring to Copy Protect button
    in Options dialog - if that one is set then WMA becomes encrypted & it won't
    work in the car. But this problem has nothing to do with encryption and
    rather with (speculation) some block head programmer at MS deciding to 'fix'
    the bug and make things 'right' which in turn killed the compatibility with
    all WMA decoders out there which had it 'wrong' - So much for "Plays for
    Sure".
    Isn't that amazing? Firts it was IE that became part of OS, now a bloddy
    music player also has to be in OS and once you 'upgrade' you're screwed - all
    this coming from top software company in the world, unbeliveable.....
    sorry, no. I've given up on looking for the mysterious 'synchronized flag' -
    couldn't find any info on internet and also not in WMA SDK docs.... I've
    given up on WMA forever and went back to MP3: It works on laptop, it works in
    car, it works on iPod, it works bloody everywhere: now THAT is what I call
    'Plays for Sure'!

    Cheers,
    Josef

     
    Josef, Nov 23, 2004
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  13. Steve F

    Ian_m Guest

    Same here with a Panasonic CQRDP383 no longer plays WMA files created using
    MP10. Bit off-p*ssing when you transfer the remaining 30 odd CD's in my
    collection and they no won't play in the car !!! All WMA files created before
    MP10 play fine.

    Panasonic say there are no firmware updates, you must be creating your WMA
    files incorrectly. All files created using MP9 (and MP3) all work fine.

    Anyway to get MP10 to spit out WMA 9 (rather than WMA 9.1) files ?

    Ian

     
    Ian_m, Dec 1, 2004
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  14. Steve F

    Josef Guest

    Anyway to get MP10 to spit out WMA 9 (rather than WMA 9.1) files ?

    AFAIK No :(

     
    Josef, Dec 1, 2004
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  15. Download WMP9 and extract the files from the install. Copy WMADMOE.DLL to
    C:\Windows\System32\. Run "regsvr32.exe WMADMOE.DLL"

    Try ripping through WMP now.

    NOTE: BACKUP your system before trying this. If it breaks anything and you
    can't fix it it's your fault for not backing up!

    --
    Chris Lanier - http://www.msmvps.com/chrisl/

    NOTE: Replies are to help benefit others in helping
    you and reproducing issues, not necessarily for me
    to get back to you.
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    Chris Lanier [MVP], Dec 1, 2004
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  16. Steve F

    Ian_m Guest

    I will try it this lunch time on a MP10 machine and see what type/version of
    WMA files I get out.

    Can't try it on car player as I cycled today, but will write a disk to try
    when I get home.

    Ta

     
    Ian_m, Dec 2, 2004
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  17. Steve F

    Ian_m Guest

    Well just tried the supposed WMADMOE.DLL copy trick on a XP SP2 machine with
    MP10 installed and it fails due to system file protection.

    I get the following in the event log.

    File replacement was attempted on the protected system file
    c:\windows\system32\wmadmoe.dll. This file was restored to the original
    version to maintain system stability. The file version of the bad file is
    9.0.0.2980, the version of the system file is 10.0.0.3646.

    Tried doing the regsvr32... bit before the copy, still fails, unable to
    change the file.

    More thoughts please.... this looked very promising.

     
    Ian_m, Dec 2, 2004
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  18. Steve F

    Ian_m Guest

    Well a bit further playing and stretching lunch I have finally got somewhere.

    With the V9 WMADMOE.DLL in "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator"
    I typed:

    regsvr32 "c:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\WMADMOE.DLL"

    Then the copied to Windows\System32.

    Opened MP10 and ripped a CD track. Loading track back into MP10 and looking
    at its properties reveals:

    Windows Media Audio 9 128 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo 1-pass CBR (not 9.1 !!!).

    Also survives reboot and a SFC /scannow. Looks like the system32 version
    date is 2004 (ie V10) but MP is using the V9 version, so maybe I should place
    the V9 DLL somewhere more usefull rather than in a home directory.

    I will try at home with the car player and see how I get on.

    Looking very hopeful, thanks for the help, now I just need to re-rip the
    unplayable WMA tracks and I will be happy again.

     
    Ian_m, Dec 2, 2004
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  19. Steve F

    bish Guest

    oh dear, sounds a bit complicated to me! do you think ms may offer a patch
    for it to work? sounds like it could be the solution for quite a few users!

     
    bish, Dec 2, 2004
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  20. Let me know how it works out.

    --
    Chris Lanier - http://www.msmvps.com/chrisl/

    NOTE: Replies are to help benefit others in helping
    you and reproducing issues, not necessarily for me
    to get back to you.
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    Chris Lanier [MVP], Dec 3, 2004
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