WMP10 / WMA9.0

Discussion in 'Windows Media Player' started by Steve F, Sep 12, 2004.

  1. Steve F

    Joe Hren Guest

    I replaced WMADMOE.DLL version 10.0.0.3646 with version 9.0.0.2980 and
    successfully registered it, as suggested. Files ripped thereafter and burned
    are not even recognized in either of my Premier [Pioneer] DEH-P940MP's. I
    actually went through this procedure back when I first realized the problem.
    I just did it again to reaffirm a lacking result.

    Though I haven't read all threads regarding this issue, those rolling back
    to WMP9 to regain compatibility must also roll back Windows Media Format
    Runtime update. It is installed as part of WMP10 but is listed as a separate
    update in Add/Remove Programs w/Updates checked (Yes, I had to do it again
    this time, too).

    Regarding Pioneer head units, I believe it isn't the actual encoding of the
    musical portion of the file but rather a change in the header info which the
    NEC decoder chip cannot handle. Quite possibly a matter similar to that
    reported in KB329865
    (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;329865).

    I really hope a solution will be found in this matter!

    Regards,
    Joe Hren

     
    Joe Hren, Dec 3, 2004
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  2. Steve F

    Ian_m Guest

    Didn't get a chance to try in car last night. Buuuuuuuuuut I have at home
    sitting in the computer CD writer a CD-RW disk just created using remote
    desktop from work with 3 albums on one ripped before WP10 upgrade (I know it
    works), one ripped after MP10 upgrade (which I know doesn't work) and finally
    one ripped last night afterinstalling MP9 codec. MP10 reports the properties
    of the tracks:

    Windows Media Audio 9 128 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo 1-pass CBR
    Windows Media Audio 9.1 128 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo 1-pass CBR
    Windows Media Audio 9 128 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo 1-pass CBR

    I will try try tonight.

    Also I used the Sherlock.exe programme from the link Chris Lanier messages
    to verify the correct codec was being used.

     
    Ian_m, Dec 3, 2004
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  3. Steve F

    Ian_m Guest

    Ah bolls. Just tried the CD. Same as Joe below.

    Files created using MP10 using WMA codec V10 and V9 do not play on my
    Panasonic CQRDP383. WMA files created before the MP10 upgrade play fine.

    Any more thoughts anyone, as this is a real pain as I have very little of my
    CD collection converted before the MP10 upgrade.

    Might have to resort to MP3 of all things, at least that plays fine !!!


     
    Ian_m, Dec 3, 2004
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  4. Steve F

    Joe Hren Guest

    "Any more thoughts anyone...?"

    Go back to WMP9 and the former Windows Media Format Runtime. Been encoding
    fine [again] for some time now. I hadn't visited this newsgroup prior to
    last night, which I did just on the chance a solution had been found. Still
    hoping but looking more unlikely...

    Regards,
    Joe

     
    Joe Hren, Dec 3, 2004
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  5. Steve F

    bish Guest

    will ms create a patch for this? surely it has rendered a whole swathe of kit
    redundant. ms have instantly sent wma the same way as betamax! shame

     
    bish, Dec 4, 2004
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  6. Steve F

    Ian_m Guest

    Talking at the weekend to various mates it appears that there are quite a lot
    of devices affected by the move to MP10 not just car stereo players, tried to
    get exact model numbers etc etc but as my friends were saying the devices
    just worked before and they were not too sure what the were.

    Anyway one was a Philips solid state player (Key something or other) now
    won't play WMA files from MP10, but he has a firmware update for the device
    but not tried or used. Mainly uses MP3 so not too bothered about not playing
    WMA 10 files.

    Other device was a Rio network player (???). Again not too bothered as music
    collection is all Mp3 anyway. Device is quite old and probably won't be
    updated anyway.

    Their advice was stick with MP3, sound quality (at higher bit rates 160k) is
    as good as WMA and works on all devices not a problem !!. Looks like I will
    have to heed their advice, which is a shame....
     
    Ian_m, Dec 6, 2004
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  7. Steve F

    Joe Hren Guest

    I doubt there will be a patch. My best hope is for someone to come up with a
    "hack". My doubt is based solely on the fact that users "left in the cold"
    can simply revert to their previous means. Anymore the premise is "get on
    board or get left behind".

    Wish I had domething better to write!

    Sincerely,
    Joe

     
    Joe Hren, Dec 6, 2004
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  8. Steve F

    Joe Hren Guest

    I use VBR 70 encoding of my "to go" music. Sound quality of 160K [CBR] MP3's
    is inferior by comparison on both of my vehicles' systems. Yes I have to
    encode both to the same disc so I can "flip" between them... but nevertheless
    I can tell the difference. I've spent thousands to be able to tell the
    difference! [Slight twist on words... No, I don't mean just to compare the
    quality of compressed music file formats... I mean to have high end
    reproduction with which I can distinguish the subtleties of any recording.]

    As I understand it MP3PRO VBR 100 encoding averages 130K and has a range of
    95-150K. Why don't more manufacturers incorporate MP3PRO decoding into their
    products?

     
    Joe Hren, Dec 7, 2004
    #28
  9. The hack has been tried, but failed. At this point contacting Product
    Support is really the main option. :\

    --
    Chris Lanier
    http://www.msmvps.com/chrisl/

    Replies are to help benefit others in helping you
    and reproducing issues, not necessarily for me to
    get back to you.

    Now Playing: "Worst To December" by "Sugarcult" in Windows Media Player 10.
    --

     
    Chris Lanier [MVP], Dec 7, 2004
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  10. Steve F

    zachd [ms] Guest

    Just to follow up...

    I was incorrect, this isn't the synchronized bit - I believe it is because
    the header/padding size for the generated ASF (WMA) files is larger (this
    provides pretty solid performance benefits) and the older decks don't handle
    this correctly. This comes from the SDK level, not the decoder. This is
    not unique to WMP10, and would happen with older versions of the player as
    well if you inserted any non-trivial amount of data into the header.

    ^-- That's my understanding at least. This would require an update from the
    relevant deck vendor in order to address, IIRC. This is not something that
    you or I would be able to handle ourselves. You'd need them to update their
    code, and if they're confused they'd want to contact their relevant MS
    contact.

    -Zach
    --
    (speaking for myself and doing this in my free time)
    See http://www.zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
    Following up to your post with the resolution is good netiquette.
    This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
    Now Playing: "We Have Come to Bless the House" by "Severed Heads" in WMP10.
    --

     
    zachd [ms], Dec 16, 2004
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  11. Steve F

    Ian_m Guest

    You'd need them to update their
    I contacted Panasonic UK about unplayable MP10 WMA files on my not very old
    CQRDP383N, are there any firmware up-dates? They replied no. Asked if they
    planned any, they said no.

    I then asked how do I create WMA files under MP10 that play and have
    received no reply, and that was mid November.

    Currently converting using MP3 @ 160kps on my main PC, which plays fine and
    dandy and some conversions via my wifes portable that is currently running
    MP9 and that plays fine as well.

    Ian
     
    Ian_m, Dec 16, 2004
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  12. Steve F

    TravisL Guest

    Hello all,
    I am also unable to play music on my car stereo (Pioneer DEH-P7500MP) that
    has been compressed with the WMA 9.1 codec since updating to WMP 10.
    I have uninstalled WMP 10 to use WMP 9, but the codec did not uninstall
    (it's still 9.1). Looking at posts from other places Steve, it seems that we
    are not alone.
    I would like to go back to using the 9.0 codec. Where can I get it and how
    can I make sure that WMP (9 or 10) uses it? Luckily, the PC my wife is using
    still has WMP 9 and is using the 9.0 codec which all works fine with music
    ripped with that PC - maybe I can get the 9.0 codec from there.
    Many thanks in advance to all who take the time to read and reply.

     
    TravisL, Jan 2, 2005
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  13. Steve F

    TravisL Guest

    Hello all,
    I am also unable to play music on my car stereo (Pioneer DEH-P7500MP) that
    has been compressed with the WMA 9.1 codec since updating to WMP 10.
    I have uninstalled WMP 10 to use WMP 9, but the codec did not uninstall
    (it's still 9.1). Looking at posts from other places Steve, it seems that we
    are not alone.
    I would like to go back to using the 9.0 codec. Where can I get it and how
    can I make sure that WMP (9 or 10) uses it? Luckily, the PC my wife is using
    still has WMP 9 and is using the 9.0 codec which all works fine with music
    ripped with that PC - maybe I can get the 9.0 codec from there.
    Many thanks in advance to all who take the time to read and reply.

     
    TravisL, Jan 2, 2005
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  14. Steve F

    bish Guest

    fantastic josef! thank you! so there is a resolution, all i've got to do is
    wait for ms to bring out a patch......(breath not held!)
     
    bish, Mar 28, 2005
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  15. Steve F

    Joe Hren Guest

    Yippee!

    Sure am glad I checked back in here. And that has nothing to do with now
    being able to keep WMP10 installed. I've been having a problem encoding a
    double live album to WMA9 VBR75. About 50% of the songs were incompatible
    (snaps, crackles, silence and again) with my Pioneer DEH-P940MP head units.
    Yeh, it happens on other songs too, but this is the first time at getting
    such a low compatibility rate. Was about ready to use CBR encoding but I
    thought I'd check in here first. Follow your hack and it works great. 100%
    compatibility when I encoded the same songs to WMA9.1 VBR75... and I could
    swear it even sounds a bit better :) Tahnx, Josef.

    Additionally, if anyone is having a hard time locating a v9 WMVCORE.DLL
    file, you can download WMP9 and proceed as though you are going to install
    it. When the first dialogue appears, open Explorer and go to your user Local
    Settings/Temp directory. It should be in one of the subfolders there--OR--
    you can use Search to find it if you want. Once located, copy to System 32.
    If you get doinked, copy it to your desktop (either way, just cancel out of
    the install process), restart your 'puter in safe mode, then copy to System
    32.
     
    Joe Hren, Apr 7, 2005
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  16. Steve F

    bish Guest

    josef-fantastic! thank you for your work! i've just replaced wmvcore.dll with
    the previous version.now i have wmp10 that can encode wma that my pioneer car
    player recognises! winner! (patch not needed!) i do not have a clue how you
    found it, but well done!

    bish.
     
    bish, Apr 7, 2005
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  17. Steve F

    bish Guest

    now mwp will rip to wma which my car player will understand fine
    however...when i try to create an audio compilation the 'burn' dialogue drops
    straight back out. do you think this is dto do with the fact that the codec
    is wrong? i wound back to wmp9 and it works okto create audio cd's (wmp9+wmp9
    codec) whereas it doesn't work with wmp10+wmp9 codec! what do you reckon?
     
    bish, Jun 19, 2005
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  18. Steve F

    Joe Hren Guest

    Don't quite know, bish. I seldom use WMP to burn compilations (data CDs)
    because I have never been able to get the "Create Folder" button to be
    available so I could add a folder. Can't imagine burning a CD with ~150
    songs and no means of fast navigation. Clicking a button to advance or go
    back one song on my Pioneer head unit or the remote can be quite inefficient,
    not to mention a major distraction while driving, if I want to jump say 50
    songs. With folders, a few button presses and I'm there. Because WMP
    doesn't seem to support burning folders on data CDs, I use Roxio Easy Media
    Creator. If I didn't have it, I'd probably just use the Windows Explorer
    "burn-to-disc utility" (just retried it and it worked A-OK) which does permit
    adding folders (the utility is actually provided by Roxio).

    In an attempt to shed some light on your particular situation with WMP10, I
    setup a burn list in WMP10 (hacked as hereinabove set forth) and burned to a
    CD-RW with no problem. Even tested playback in one of my Pioneer head units
    and all was well. Perhaps a re-installation of WMP10 would do the trick. If
    not it there must be another compatibility issue on your system...
     
    Joe Hren, Jun 20, 2005
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  19. Steve F

    bish Guest

    i see what you mean joe, when i create a data cd i just copy the files to the
    drive then i can navigate on head unit through the albums. however it is the
    creation of audio cd that i have a problem with...another however! i've just
    started to rip to pc as mp3 and i can create an audio cd! another wma
    stumbling block! oh well i guess afetr all this i'll use the mp3 format after
    all...shame.
     
    bish, Jun 21, 2005
    #39
  20. Steve F

    Joe Hren Guest

    Ahh! I see... Audio CD burning. Happens on my system, too.

    Plenty of other software out there that'll do the job though. Music Match's
    Jukebox perhaps. While I can attest to the Plus version doing so in fine
    fashion, the FREE version should too... just somewhat slower :)

    While MP3 seems to work for a majority, I choose to use WMA for its
    quality-to-compression results after doing my own "side-by-side" comparisons.
    I would consider using MP3 Pro instead, but it is not widely supported. WMP
    comes up short in this area also. I have a boom box does MP3 Pro, but my
    Pioneer head units don't. Can't see having versions of the same song in a
    third format, and taking up more space... after all, saving space is the main
    reason for converting in the first place...

    Regards,
    Joe
     
    Joe Hren, Jun 22, 2005
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