WTF is the dialog about the dialog?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Bernie, Jul 27, 2006.

  1. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    I've seen it several times and I think most commonly when AVG gets an
    update. Normally it then installs the update and a messagebox pops up
    saying it has installed quite happily and would you click ok to
    continue. But before that last messgebox comes up I get a dialog from
    Vista saying something like "an unknown dialog has tried to communicate.
    I don't know what program it is from and I don't know what the message
    was but I thought I'd let you know" Then the actual dialog from AVG pops
    up. I click ok and the AVG dialog goes away. Then the Vista dialog says
    "Err it's okay now the dialog is no longer trying to get your attention".

    Now what is all that about?
     
    Bernie, Jul 27, 2006
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  2. Bernie

    CH Guest

    I can't give this a specific articulate name Bernie, but part of UAC no
    doubt if this last dialogue is not part of AVG/Grissoft. I have seen a lot
    of dialogue boxes from UAC but I'm not sure I've seen that. I'm using Avast
    on Vista consistently because it seems to be doing fine--and I haven't had
    any perceptible slowing from it that some people complain about or any cuts
    into CPU that slow things down.

    Why don't you put the exact message up. Bet we can google it, google it in
    conjunction with the search term UAC or permissions or find an explanation
    possibly on the UAC blog.

    You could also put it on the UAC blog as a comment and probably get a pretty
    informed response.

    UACTeam Blog
    http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/

    CH
     
    CH, Jul 27, 2006
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  3. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    I will give the exact message if I see it again. It has happened several
    times in the last week but I turned off UAC today and haven't seen it
    since. It may or may not be to do with that. It isn't a dialog from AVG
    itself.

    I don't remember the exact message but figured others will have seen it
    to and would know what I meant.
     
    Bernie, Jul 28, 2006
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  4. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    UAC is turned off. This occurred at startup. AVG is set to check for a
    definitions update between 10.00 and 12.00 and as you can see the
    machine was started up during that time window.

    There wasn't a problem with AVG. I think this ISDD thing might be a
    little too earnest.
     
    Bernie, Jul 28, 2006
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  5. Bernie

    William Guest

    I don't see why it would be bad form. This is about supporting Vista and it helps to see what you are meaning. sometimes people get into long explanations of what they see when a simple screen shot would get the job done much faster.

    William

    I hope it is no longer considered bad form to post pictures to this kind
    of newsgroup....




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    William, Jul 28, 2006
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  6. Bernie

    Jimmy Brush Guest

    The problem here is a bug in the antivirus program.

    In Windows Vista, services cannot interact with your desktop. They operate
    on a different desktop.

    The antivirus program's service tried to display a message to you anyway,
    which showed up on the other desktop and not yours. Windows Vista realized
    this and offered to switch you over to the other desktop so you could
    interact with the program.

    - JB

    Vista Support FAQ
    http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
     
    Jimmy Brush, Jul 28, 2006
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  7. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    As it happened I didn't click to check or cancel and the second dialog
    appeared. Next time I'll try the check and see what happens.

    If I manually tell AVG to check for an update it does so and displays
    it's own dialog boxes without any problem in the same way that it would
    have done on XP at startup.

    Oddly enough as I was writing this I just had another such incident. AVG
    had completed a scan. What happened was the screen went completely black
    for about 15 seconds and then the Interactive Services dialog came up to
    say that some unknown program couldn't display it's dialog. Then without
    my input the AVG scan complete dialog appeared. Clicking okay on that
    made the second Interactive thing appear again and clicking that
    eventually got me back to my own desktop. Yes there was a clue there
    that what I was looking at was a different desktop but it switched to it
    automatically this time.

    It is not very elegantly implemented and when you aren't expecting the
    screen to just go black for no apparent reason it is a bit alarming.

    This does not bode well for an awful lot of software that was not
    written according to the latest whim of MS... even if that whim has been
    documented for a few years.

    Presumably this is an example of where a shim might be needed. Is there
    any documentation on rolling your own shims?
     
    Bernie, Jul 28, 2006
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  8. The common courtesy in the ng's is to use an attachment and warn in the subject line that a pic file is included so that those on dialup or toll services can bypass the download.
    I don't see why it would be bad form. This is about supporting Vista and it helps to see what you are meaning. sometimes people get into long explanations of what they see when a simple screen shot would get the job done much faster.

    William

    I hope it is no longer considered bad form to post pictures to this kind
    of newsgroup....




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    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 28, 2006
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  9. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    Yeah that is why I asked. But do such poor people still exist in the
    world in this ng?:)
     
    Bernie, Jul 28, 2006
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  10. It's not their poverty. Better services simply aren't available. Andre
    Decosta is on dialup from Jamaica (I believe).
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 28, 2006
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  11. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    I'd guess Jamaica would have good connections. I know Barbados does.
     
    Bernie, Jul 28, 2006
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  12. I'm just reporting what MrDee has said from time to time. We kept asking
    him why he kept fading in and out all the time. :)
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 28, 2006
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  13. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    Ah well that might have been down to something he was smoking at the time.
     
    Bernie, Jul 28, 2006
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  14. Bernie

    William Guest

    Dial-up, toll service., I don't know anyone who uses them.

    William
    The common courtesy in the ng's is to use an attachment and warn in the subject line that a pic file is included so that those on dialup or toll services can bypass the download.
    I don't see why it would be bad form. This is about supporting Vista and it helps to see what you are meaning. sometimes people get into long explanations of what they see when a simple screen shot would get the job done much faster.

    William

    I hope it is no longer considered bad form to post pictures to this kind
    of newsgroup....




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    William, Jul 28, 2006
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  15. Bernie

    Jane C Guest

    Attachments etc aren't viewable by those using the web interface for the newsgroups either.

    --
    Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;)
    Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :)
    The common courtesy in the ng's is to use an attachment and warn in the subject line that a pic file is included so that those on dialup or toll services can bypass the download.
    I don't see why it would be bad form. This is about supporting Vista and it helps to see what you are meaning. sometimes people get into long explanations of what they see when a simple screen shot would get the job done much faster.

    William

    I hope it is no longer considered bad form to post pictures to this kind
    of newsgroup....




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    Jane C, Jul 28, 2006
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  16. Just add (pic included) to the subject.
    Attachments etc aren't viewable by those using the web interface for the newsgroups either.

    --
    Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;)
    Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :)
    The common courtesy in the ng's is to use an attachment and warn in the subject line that a pic file is included so that those on dialup or toll services can bypass the download.
    I don't see why it would be bad form. This is about supporting Vista and it helps to see what you are meaning. sometimes people get into long explanations of what they see when a simple screen shot would get the job done much faster.

    William

    I hope it is no longer considered bad form to post pictures to this kind
    of newsgroup....




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    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 28, 2006
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  17. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    Such people....
     
    Bernie, Jul 28, 2006
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  18. Bernie

    Chad Harris Guest

    The web interface that MSFT hasn't lifted a finger to fix in years is
    slowerer than a pith brained legless snail and simiply horrible. You just
    ID'd one more reason it totally sucks. Whomever draws a paycheck for
    tending to the web interface in Community makes the theft by bank robbery
    look tame when they pick up their check.

    CH

    Attachments etc aren't viewable by those using the web interface for the
    newsgroups either.

    --
    Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;)
    Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :)
    The common courtesy in the ng's is to use an attachment and warn in the
    subject line that a pic file is included so that those on dialup or toll
    services can bypass the download.
    I don't see why it would be bad form. This is about supporting Vista and
    it helps to see what you are meaning. sometimes people get into long
    explanations of what they see when a simple screen shot would get the job
    done much faster.

    William

    I hope it is no longer considered bad form to post pictures to this
    kind
    of newsgroup....




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    Chad Harris, Jul 28, 2006
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  19. Bernie

    Chad Harris Guest

    The web interface that MSFT hasn't lifted a finger to fix in years is
    slowerer than a pith brained legless snail and simiply horrible. You just
    ID'd one more reason it totally sucks. Whomever draws a paycheck for
    tending to the web interface in Community makes the theft by bank robbery
    look tame when they pick up their check.

    CH

    Attachments etc aren't viewable by those using the web interface for the
    newsgroups either.

    --
    Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;)
    Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :)
    The common courtesy in the ng's is to use an attachment and warn in the
    subject line that a pic file is included so that those on dialup or toll
    services can bypass the download.
    I don't see why it would be bad form. This is about supporting Vista and
    it helps to see what you are meaning. sometimes people get into long
    explanations of what they see when a simple screen shot would get the job
    done much faster.

    William

    I hope it is no longer considered bad form to post pictures to this
    kind
    of newsgroup....




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    Chad Harris, Jul 29, 2006
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