XP 32 BIT FULL & XP 64 BIT UPGRADE

Discussion in 'Virtual PC' started by Thomas, Jan 10, 2008.

  1. Thomas

    Thomas Guest

    I originally had XP Pro 32 bit, we bought the upgrade to 64 bit. We have run
    into some problems with the 64 bit. Can I install the XP Pro 32 bit full
    version on Virtual PC while running the 64 bit upgrade on the actual computer
    with no licensing implications?
     
    Thomas, Jan 10, 2008
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  2. Thomas

    David B. Guest

    I don't believe XP 64 is available as an upgrade, only as full, which means
    your 32 bit license was not absorbed as you didn't actually do an upgrade,
    so there should be no licensing issues.
     
    David B., Jan 10, 2008
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  3. There is no upgrade. XP Pro x64 is a clean install. The cd is OEM anyway.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 10, 2008
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  4. If your XP x86 came pre-installed on the computer you may not use it on any
    other computer, even a virtual one (OEM copy of Windows is non-tranferrable)
    ..

    If your XP x86 is a retail copy that you purchased and installed yourself
    then you may use the license in a virtual machine (Retail copy of Windows
    permits transfer to a new machine).

    XP Pro x64 is OEM only and since installing it does not tie any license to
    previous software, whether you can re-use the XP x86 license depends
    entirely on whether the XP x86 Windows is OEM or Retail.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 10, 2008
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  5. There is no such thing as a parent and child relationship with this license.
    The EULA explicitly states (retail) that the user may only install one copy
    of the software. It says nothing about "as many times as you want as long
    as its on the same computer." One copy is one copy. The OEM EULA
    explicitly states that the software is for installation on a new computer or
    a computer without an operating system and may not be transferred.

    It makes absolutely no difference whether or not an OEM copy has been
    installed before or not. It may only be installed on one device. It may be
    reinstalled on that device, but it may NOT be installed on any other device.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 11, 2008
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  6. In VPC parent and child have entirely different meanings. They refer to
    differencing disks. The proper terms here are Host and Guest.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 11, 2008
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  7. Thomas

    phillip judd Guest

    I'm appearently not savy with the total computing experience, as I'm reading
    here. But, I need to ask you, if I understand the question from Thomas
    correctly, does this mean that while using 64 bit, one can operate, within
    that windows, a fake, for lack of a better word, computer, using 32 bit
    windows; given that I'm using less then 4 gig's of memory, in the same
    computer? This would certtainly circumvent having to use a partitioning
    device/software; if I really felt it neccesary to use 32 bit compatable
    games/applications/ect? Let's put it this way, I bought the 64 bit system
    without realizing it's issues, and now have buyers remorse. I use it for high
    def video editing, but can't use it for my games. Some backwords
    compatability would be nice, or at least a way to get around it, without
    using two computers. Any Ideas?
     
    phillip judd, Jan 12, 2008
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  8. That's just nuts!

     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 12, 2008
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  9. Absolutely. They are called virtual machines and there are interesting
    capabilities. I run not only 32-bit virtual machines on Vista x64 by
    running VPC, but I also can run 16-bit virtual machines, like MSDOS 6.22 or
    Windows for Workgroups, as well even though Vista x64 itself cannot run
    16-bit software.

    I do a lot of legacy gaming this way as well. See Ben Armstrong's blogs on
    legacy gaming at
    http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/.

    I run an XP Pro SP2 virtual machine in order to continue to play
    Civilization III Complete and some other games that for one reason or
    another I don't want to or cannot run on Vista. Performance is excellent
    and as long as you don't try to run games that require 3d graphics things go
    very well.

    If you are running Vista with 2GB of ram, the allocation of 256mb of ram to
    a virtual machine running XP is no big deal.

    Running XP virtual machines works fine on 32-bit as well as 64-bit hosts.
    In fact I have one XP x86 box on which I run Vista Ultimate x86 in a virtual
    machine.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 12, 2008
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  10. Thomas

    Bill Grant Guest

    Very Alice in Wonderland, really. "When I use a word it means just what I
    want it to mean"!
     
    Bill Grant, Jan 12, 2008
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  11. Absolulovely!

     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 12, 2008
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  12. Thomas

    Paul Adare Guest

    <sigh>

    Microsoft did not invent this terminology, it has been around since there
    have been computers.

    --
    Paul Adare
    MVP - Virtual Machines
    http://www.identit.ca
    Software: Typically silk nighties, nylons, garter belts. Contrast with
    hardware.
     
    Paul Adare, Jan 12, 2008
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  13. Thomas

    Paul Adare Guest

    No, that's not what I mean. The terminology in question came from the
    mainframe and mini world.
     
    Paul Adare, Jan 12, 2008
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  14. Yes, but perhaps Microsoft had the power to change it in the PC world.

    It would not matter so much if the whole MS multi-boot framework were
    not such a mess. If you use a proper boot manager like BootIt NG (or
    even the ancient Ranish Partition Manager) you can arrange things so
    that for each OS the boot and system partition are the same (and each
    doesn't see the boot/system partition of the others). Each OS sees
    itself as C, and if you have a common data partition then it will be
    seen as D.
     
    David Wilkinson, Jan 12, 2008
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  15. Thomas

    Thomas Guest

    My PC came installed with XP Pro 32-bit. I requested that they change my
    software to XP 64, according to our tech people they "switched" the license
    from the 32bit to the 64bit through Dell. Does this seem right?
     
    Thomas, Jan 15, 2008
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  16. Yes. You would have only one license whether x86 or x64 but not both. Does
    this have anything to do with Virtual PC? If you are just running XP Pro
    x64 now a good newsgroup for you is microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 15, 2008
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  17. Thomas

    Thomas Guest

    It did have to do with Virtual PC, but I think my question has been answered.

    Thanks.
     
    Thomas, Jan 21, 2008
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