XP Driver support (or lack of)..

Discussion in 'Windows 64 Bit' started by Mark Gillespie, Jun 20, 2005.

  1. We do assist the OEMs in getting their drivers up to par, its very rare
    that we right a driver from scratch for something thats not MSFT branded.
     
    Joseph Conway [MSFT], Jun 21, 2005
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  2. But suppose he standardized on it?
     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Jun 21, 2005
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  3. You don't have to do a repair, just an inplace upgrade from the Trial.


     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Jun 21, 2005
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  4. Actually, he's having some driver issues himself, I spoke to him last night,
    was really frustrated, he's at a lost.
     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Jun 21, 2005
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  5. Well, being a beta tester for many years, I do a clean install of all my
    operating systems every month or two. So, I am not thinking like a regular
    user. :)
     
    Wayne Wastier, Jun 21, 2005
    #25
  6. ROFLOL. :)
     
    Wayne Wastier, Jun 21, 2005
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  7. Mark Gillespie

    John Barnes Guest

    Is she shipping your used keyboard too :)


     
    John Barnes, Jun 21, 2005
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  8. Mark Gillespie

    James Park Guest

    The thread "X64 trial to x64 full verion OEM" seems to indicate that a
    repair install is the way to go.

    Darrell Gorter[MSFT]:
    "OEM media is limited to upgrading other OEM media, not other types of
    media. So you could do a repair installation, but not a inplace upgrade."

     
    James Park, Jun 21, 2005
    #28
  9. No, I got that already. ;-)


     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Jun 21, 2005
    #29
  10. Thats correct, if its an OEM version and you want to upgrade from the trial,
    you have do a repair install, instead by booting off the CD. Only, Volume
    License and MSDN Subscriber Editions of XP Pro x64 can upgrade a trial.

    Thanks to Darrell for updating me on that.

     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Jun 22, 2005
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  11. Mark Gillespie

    ScottK Guest

    I hate to sound like a crank here, but what about *MICROSOFT* Hardware?

    I have a wonderful Natural Multimedia Keyboard, and half of the wonderful
    buttons are now useless.

    Who does the drivers for Microsoft and Microsoft-branded hardware? One would
    think that Microsoft *would* be writing the drivers, but since the drivers
    for such devices are not to be had that those of us who *do* use Microsoft
    Hardware are litterally left on a lurch.

    The word that comes to mind: Pathetic.

    --ScottK
     
    ScottK, Jun 23, 2005
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  12. I have been waiting for the Epson R300 driver, date on the Epson web site May
    2005, they have missed that one.

    It all boils down to 'what is in it for me' what do companies get out of X64:

    Microsoft get to sell a flash new operating system ($$)
    AMD/INTEL new processors ($$)
    NVIDIA,ATI faster graphics card ($$)

    Epson - nothing no new printers
    logitech - may be a bit of gaming stuff, Camera and useful stuff - no point
     
    Your know, you have to try it once, Jun 23, 2005
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  13. What somebody needs to do is write kind of a generic 64-bit wrapper driver
    that simply forwards calls to the existing 32-bit drivers--assuming the
    driver model and API interfaces have remained the same. Kinda like the old
    32- to 16-bit thunk mechanism back in the days.

    It would create a performance hit, but may allow *some* current 32-bit
    drivers to be usable, until the hardware manufacturers get off their
    butts...I wouldn't expect it to be workable for 3D gaming, but it might be
    "good enough for now" for simple things like printers?

    I dunno, I'm just throwing out ideas here..maybe this is technically
    impossible to do at the kernel level, or the driver architecture simply
    can't accomodate this sort of approach...I only wrote a rather dumb driver
    once. :)
     
    Homer J. Simpson, Jun 24, 2005
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    Sean M Guest

    For things like printer drivers, I'm betting the hold up is getting a better
    grasp on the Metro format.

    -- Sean M
     
    Sean M, Jun 24, 2005
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  15. Hardware drivers on x64 need to be written on a low level so it can interact
    with kernel, don't expect any wrappers, back in the days were, well, back in
    the days.
     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Jun 25, 2005
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  16. All I know is that I have shelled out good money for XP64 and nothing
    actually works,

    I'm unable to connect my printer my camera doesn't upload and to top it all
    off 50% of my software won't even get passed the install stage (Norton etc)

    For the future of computing, this has to be a joke if none of the big
    companies are behind this and writing 64 Drivers

    Come on Microsoft Pull your finger out...how about you stop using the paying
    public as beta testers
     
    paying customers, beta testers again !, Jul 3, 2005
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    Dennis Pack Guest

    Driver support is the responsibility of the hardware and software vendors
    NOT Microsoft. They have known about the x64 system for over a year if not
    two years, but they're just starting to respond. The x64 system has been
    very stable since the first CPP release. Norton has a corporate edition that's
    supposed to be compatible but no home user version yet. I've been using x64
    for 18 months without any problems other than drivers and there are more
    drivers available now than there were 18 months ago. Complain to the
    hardware and software vendors since they are way behind as usual.





    "paying customers, beta testers again !" <paying customers, beta testers
    again [email protected]> wrote in message
     
    Dennis Pack, Jul 3, 2005
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  18. You should not be loading Norton. It will not work. It will in a future
    release, but not yet. Avast and eTrust 7.1 are known to work fine. The
    software you are most likely having trouble with are those requiring their
    own drivers, such as for printers, cameras, etc.

    If you read the forums such as this one and especially PlanetAMD64 you can
    find what things to use and to avoid. There is a download area on
    PlanetAMD64 with downloads that can help resolve some issues. Since you
    spent good money, spend some quality time checking out what others are
    saying.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 3, 2005
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    John Barnes Guest

    Lots of printers work using drivers already provided, just takes a little
    trial and error. Most decent cameras are treated as a removable drive and
    can download just fine. Then you can use your programs to play with them.
    That said, I think that this version has been slipped in as a pseudo-beta
    for the Longhorn 64-bit version to get the driver crowd moving. It provides
    XP and additional power for a select small group of users. Since there will
    be no retail version, and way too many problems for the average desktop
    user, therefore not much incentive for manufacturers to support it, it
    probably will languish in the corner until Longhorn makes it obsolete.
    Useful for a few, fun for early adopter types that thrive on difficulty and
    sort of a ME to everyone else. Sorry guys.


    "paying customers, beta testers again !" <paying customers, beta testers
    again [email protected]> wrote in message
     
    John Barnes, Jul 3, 2005
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  20. "paying customers, beta testers again !" <paying customers, beta testers
    again [email protected]> wrote in:
    I hope you've set up a dual boot system? As you find more and more
    drivers you'll eventually be able to use the OS for all your computing.
    Some drivers are coming and some will require possible upgrades of
    hardware and software.
    Logitech is supposedly working on a new 64 bit version of Mouseware, other
    companies are in various stages of readiness and some haven't decided if
    they will support X64 or not.
    Microsoft can't write 64 bit versions of Norton, etc. They can only wait
    just as you and I.

    What you can do to help is to email those companies you need drivers from,
    let them see that there is a customer base and they'll lose out if they don't
    get busy soon. (I'm sure I could rewrite that more grammatically but you
    know what I mean, I hope?)
     
    David R. Norton MVP, Jul 3, 2005
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