XP "genuine advantage" Big Brother nightmares

Discussion in 'Windows Update' started by xp ?, Jun 4, 2006.

  1. xp ?

    xp ? Guest

    Last night, while working on something else, I stupidly authorized
    Windows to install a "genuine advantage" update that it was bugging me
    for permission to install. I'd have been more scrutinous of this
    request, had I not been distracted on other things.

    So when I flipped the computer on this morning, I got a warning that I
    may be using counterfeit XP software, or something to that effect. It
    bugged me every step of the login process about this, and I blew it off
    with the "resolve later" option they finally gave me.

    20 minutes later, the computer went into the royal blue screen with the
    white type saying that something bad had happened to the computer.

    I restarted the computer and used System Restore to restore to a point
    before I installed the "genuine advantage" (what a laugh) update.

    My question is, how do I now avoid this update going onto my computer,
    or better yet, how do I essentially permanently decline the "right" to
    have it automatically installed?

    By way of background, my computer is one I bought from a friend, that I
    have since upgraded with a new motherboard, CPU, second hard drive for
    data, and new graphics card.

    I have an XP CD that I got from him, and it *looks* genuine, but I have
    no desire to tinker with an O/S that had otherwise been fine.

    The computer is up to date in Windows' eyes. It has SP2 on it, and the
    Windows Updates download at night and install in the background.

    I am sure millions of users are waking up to this same nightmare I just
    experienced, so I am sure solutions to this issue will soon be widely
    propagating on the web.

    And no, I'm not going to respond to the shakedown MS has on the "genuine
    advantage" prompts, offering to make the problem go away if I pay them
    money.
     
    xp ?, Jun 4, 2006
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  2. <snip>

    Hey! If you buy a car from a friend, drive it for two years before you are
    pulled over in a traffic stop and find out the car is stolen, do you expect
    to still keep that car "because you have driven it for two years and it has
    given you no problems"? Of course not. You live with the consequences.

    Not a great analogy I know, but the best I can come up with at the present.


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    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



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    Richard Urban, Jun 4, 2006
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    kurttrail Guest

    Stop using MS's Updaters, Windows, Microsoft, and Automatic Updates.

    Learn to patch your OS through Common Sense Computing:

    http://comsense.microscum.com

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    kurttrail, Jun 4, 2006
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    CCrusher Guest

    LMAO
    You bought a computer from a friend, then proceeded to replace the
    motherboard, CPU, hard drive, and graphics card...Why did you buy that
    computer?....for the plug? LOL
     
    CCrusher, Jun 4, 2006
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    Robert Moir Guest

    WGA is catching some people who are using pirated software, many without
    even knowing they are. If you fall into this catagory then Microsoft are not
    the people who are shaking you down.

    It also appears to be catching out a lot of genuine users who have a problem
    with their system or who are encountering bugs in WGA itself - not sure
    which.

    I totally sympathise, but if you're not willing to invest the time to find
    out if you do have a genuine licence or not then it isn't really possible to
    say much constructive about the situation.
     
    Robert Moir, Jun 4, 2006
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    CCrusher Guest

    Seriously thou, if you change out every component of a computer, it is now a
    "new computer" and the original WindowsXP licence was for the "original
    computer". I believe you can only make a limited number of hardware changes.
     
    CCrusher, Jun 4, 2006
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    MJSOI Guest

    Genuine Advantage Changed Dial- Up Settings. After instaling my PC now auto
    dials Netscape dial-up connection on start up of PC. Past set-up was manual
    internet connection start up by clicking desktop icon. Outlook & Outlook
    Express are not enabled & have never been used. All prior Win XP updates are
    installed & worked OK without changing any settings. Please tell me how to
    turn OFF the auto dialer to intertet connection in Win XP? I know this is
    simple, but it has been years since fooling with this setting & I can not
    find the dialer settings. What hath hell brought?
     
    MJSOI, Jun 4, 2006
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  8. This might or might not actually be the case: there are some false positives
    at present. Please download the MGA diagnostic from:
    http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=56062
    and run it. Click the "Copy to clipboard" button and paste the result into
    a post on the special WGA forum at:
    http://forums.microsoft.com/Genuine/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=442&SiteID=25
    where you will get better advice than from this Windows Update forum.
    This might just be a bad coincidence: there is no reason why the WGA process
    should have provoked a blue-screen. If it happens again, note down the
    diagnostic details at the bottom of the screen, which should serve to narrow
    down the cause of the crash.
     
    Robin Walker [MVP], Jun 4, 2006
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    Alias Guest

    Use your firewall to block the WGA spyware and it will stop.

    Alias
     
    Alias, Jun 4, 2006
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  10. Open control panel "Internet Options", click tab "Connections". Ensure that
    "Never dial a connection" is checked, rather than "Dial whenever a network
    connection is not present.
     
    Robin Walker [MVP], Jun 4, 2006
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    Alias Guest

    You're incorrect. If too many hardware changes are made, phone
    activation will be necessary. If it's been over 120 days since the last
    activation or hardware change, you will be able to activate on line.

    Alias
     
    Alias, Jun 4, 2006
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    CCrusher Guest

    I dont think I am incorrect. If I replace every component but the case, its
    a different computer. I can call and explain the situation, but whether
    Micosoft would go for that is up to them. If you are correct, then every
    computer user that buys a new computer could transfer XP to the new
    computer, then call and say " I made some hardware changes".
    Boy, the effort people make to save 200 bucks is unbelieveable. Days spent
    trying to circumvent the process. lol
     
    CCrusher, Jun 4, 2006
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    Alias Guest

    Try thinking again and, while you're at it, read the EULA.
    No, it's an upgraded computer.
    Not true. You're allowed to upgrade a computer as much as your little
    heart desires. Again, read your EULA and inform yourself.
    That is not upgrading a computer that you already have/had XP loaded on,
    now is it, Mr Thinker?
    It's not a matter of money. Read the EULA and then get back to me.

    Alias
     
    Alias, Jun 4, 2006
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    Jim Guest

    Go back to the mac group moron.

     
    Jim, Jun 4, 2006
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    Jacob2000 Guest

    Did you reinstall your Windows XP AFTER you installed your new motherboard?
    You have to do that for the drivers to properly recognize the new
    motherboard. You simply cant take a new board and a hard drive with XP on it
    and think that it will work without reinstallation of XP. I have done this
    many, many times, upgrading mine and friends computers and I found out the
    hard way that if you dont do this, your XP will continuously give you the
    dreaded BSOD because it has no idea what this new hardware is. Even the
    "HARDWARE FINDER" doesnt do this, from my experience anyway, except during
    the installation process. I think I read somewhere that it was to prevent
    piracy.
     
    Jacob2000, Jun 4, 2006
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    Vanguard Guest

    --------------------------------------------------
    NOTE: Newsgroups in my reply differ from those used in the original
    post. Original newsgroups were:
    microsoft.public.windowsupdate
    (blank group)
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
    24hoursupport.helpdesk
    My reply to the *cross-posted* message was sent only the [somewhat]
    RELATED newsgroups of:
    microsoft.public.windowsupdate
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
    --------------------------------------------------
    <snip>

    When WU shows you an update, I always go the WU site to do it rather
    than have the service download (after prompt and okaying) the update
    (and then prompt to ask again if okay to install). That way, I can
    click the checkbox that says to hide that update in the future so I
    never get prompted about it again. Have WU only *show* that there are
    updates but NOT let it download them and definitely NEVER have it
    automatically install them.

    I haven't seen evidence that WGA causes blue screens. Looks like you
    have other problems with your computer, especially if it is taking 20
    minutes for a blue to occur after some event you *think* is the trigger.
    You have never used System Restore before and often enough to realize
    that it is NOT a reliable method of returning your computer to a prior
    state? One, it only restores *system* files hence its name. It does
    not restore the hard disk back to some prior physical state (i.e., it is
    not a disk/partition imaging program). Two, it too often gets
    corrupted. Three, walking backwards doesn't always get you back to your
    starting point. I'm not surprised that a security update would have no
    uninstall path, especially one designed to protect the revenue stream
    for the software's author. Several updates from Microsoft are one-way
    installs: once in there is no standard procedure available to uninstall
    it. DirectX is that way, too.

    So you *think* you have a legitimate install CD for Windows XP. Does it
    look like those shown at
    http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/en/windows.mspx? I
    couldn't drill any further since you did not mention WHICH version of
    Windows that you have (retail, upgrade, OEM, Professional, Home, Media,
    etc.). Just because you have what appears to be a legal install CD
    doesn't mean that was was your "friend" used when he/she install the
    operating system. Could be all you got was the hardware which included
    a polluted drive (the friend was too lazy to wipe the drive or expected
    YOU to wipe it and do a fresh install using the CD that he/she gave you)
    along with a CD that was never used to install the OS. Be sure to thank
    your friend appropriately.

    So if you are not willing to call Microsoft to ask them about getting a
    CD for a legitimate copy (by providing proof that you actually bought
    the software rather than just getting hardware with a polluted hard
    drive). You don't even have to pay for the shipping to get the CD from
    them; go read
    http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/FAQ.aspx?displaylang=en#Question6Label.
    Hell, the CD is complimentary (free) as a ripped off customer - IF you
    qualify. If you are unwilling to get rid of the pirated version then
    just keep on using it and incur continued problems. Your choice.

    There are instances of false positives (i.e., the user does have a legit
    copy) but you've already been told about the WGA forum by Robin. Read:

    http://www.mydigitallife.info/2006/...s-genuine-advantage-notifications-nag-screen/
    (short URL = http://snipurl.com/xpnag)

    Personally, I use DiamondCS ProcessGuard to regulate what can load into
    memory (programs can only run if they get into memory), and I have it
    block wgatray.exe. It attempts to load twice on Windows startup (as
    noted when I configure it to prompt rather than just block it
    automatically). The ActiveX control used by the Windows Update site
    doesn't use it so you can still authenticate your Windows at that time
    to get updates.
     
    Vanguard, Jun 4, 2006
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    Noel Paton Guest

    It depends on whether the original install was an OEM install, or a Retail
    install - in the case of a Retail install, then it's possible to move the OS
    to a completely different PC, while with an OEN install, it's tied to the
    original PC, and it is likely that it could be construed that the OP's
    actions take him outside of that, and mean that his version is not
    'legitimate' in that sense.

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    Noel Paton, Jun 4, 2006
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    CCrusher Guest

    Sure it is. I took the bay door off the old computer, and put it on the new
    computer. So I upgraded all the hardware from the old computer,minus the bay
    door.
     
    CCrusher, Jun 4, 2006
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    Ed Light Guest

    I think if you click Cancel on it then you get a checkbox to uncheck for
    automatic.


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    Ed Light, Jun 4, 2006
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  20. Change your Automatic Update settings to stop this or any other update from
    downloading and installing without your explicit permission:
    Right click My Computer and click Properties.
    Click Automatic Update tab.
    Make selections as desired.
    If you disable Automatic Update, make sure you periodically check since you
    will no longer be notified by Windows.
    Normally updates are released the 2nd Tuesday of the month.

    You have what appears to be a genuine CD, do you also have the original
    Product Key?
    Have you verified that the correct CD and Product Key were used to install
    Windows on your computer?
    It would not be the first time I saw a computer with pirated Windows
    installed even though there was a proper installation method available.

    You should determine if your Windows XP installation is legitimate:
    http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/en/default.mspx

    Also see:
    http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/invalpk.htm
     
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Jun 4, 2006
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