XP Home Edition

Discussion in 'Virtual PC' started by Martin Vallevand, Jan 27, 2004.

  1. If your host is NOT Windows 2000 professional or Windows XP
    I am a happy Connectix 5.2 user hosted on XP Home Edition, could someone
    confirm that VPC 2004 will not work for me. It doesn't make sense.

    Martin
     
    Martin Vallevand, Jan 27, 2004
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  2. Martin,

    Your question is answered at
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/virtualpc/evaluation/sysreqs.asp

    Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 System Requirements
    Here are the minimum system requirements to use Microsoft Virtual PC 2004:
    ....
    Virtual PC 2004 runs on:
    Windows 2000 Professional, Windows XP Professional, and Windows XP Tablet PC
    Edition


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    Mike
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    Mike Brannigan [MSFT], Jan 27, 2004
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    Paul Adare Guest

    microsoft.public.virtualpc news group, Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
    Martin,
    Mike's answer, while correct, is not complete. The list above
    lists the _supported_ operating systems for the host, however, there is
    a difference between works and supported. There are lots of folks
    running VPC 2004 quite successfully on XP Home. The problem with doing
    so is that you are in an unsupported configuration, so if you had a
    problem, PSS would not be able to help you resolve it.
     
    Paul Adare, Jan 27, 2004
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    Dave Guest

    Wrong i have it running on XP Home
     
    Dave, Jan 28, 2004
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  5. Martin Vallevand

    Steve Jain Guest

    Not exactly wrong, but unsupported by MS.

    Steve Jain, Microsoft MVP for Virtual PC for Windows
    Website: http://www.essjae.com
     
    Steve Jain, Jan 28, 2004
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  6. Not exactly wrong, but unsupported by MS.

    Thanks everyone that's what I wanted to hear. Now I won't mind "wasting"
    the $17 to try this out, at least there is some hope it might work.
    Unfortunately I guess I still will have to wait for the Athlon upgrade
    before I can try this out.

    BTW this forum is very useful, I'm glad the community stayed alive.

    Martin
     
    Martin Vallevand, Jan 29, 2004
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  7. Martin,

    We have clearly stated the Minimum system requirements to run Virtual PC
    2004
    at
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/virtualpc/evaluation/sysreqs.asp

    This does not mean that if you choose to run Virtual PC 2004 on a system
    that does not meet thise Minimum requirements you are unsupported in the
    sense of not being able to make a Product Support Services (PSS) call to us
    if you have a problem or an issue.
    It means you are running the product on a platform that it was not designed
    to run on, may not have been tested on and even if it does install and
    "appear" to run you may experience any and all sorts of system problems that
    may manifest themselves while running the product on that platform that
    fails to meet the minimum requirements in terms of opertaing system or
    hardware etc. This may include loss of data, issues with system performance
    or failures in other "unrelated" applications etc.
    Please do not assume that running a product on a platform that does not meet
    the minimum specified requirements is just a case of no PSS support. Our
    minimum requirements are set for specific reasons around not just support
    but testing and the target platform for the applications initial
    development.

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    Mike
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    Mike Brannigan [MSFT], Jan 29, 2004
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    sGarver Guest

    So then Mike, as an Official Microsoft statement from you,
    you are claiming that Windows Server 2003 IS a supported
    Host system?? For surely Microsoft considers their best-
    yet OS above and greater than XP Pro and 2000 Pro.

    Scott
     
    sGarver, Jan 30, 2004
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  9. microsoft.public.virtualpc news group, sGarver
    How do you get that from Mike's post? The only officially supported host
    operating systems for VPC 2004 are those that are list on
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/virtualpc/evaluation/sysreqs.asp

    This list has nothing to do with which OS is "the best" OS. The product
    is not designed for server consolidation so it is limited to being
    supported on "client" operating systems.

    One of the things that you need to realize about software development is
    that test takes just as many, if not more resources, than does
    development. Neither test resources, nor development resources are
    unlimited. At some point in the development process a decision needs to
    be made about the nature of the product being developed as well as the
    test cases that will be run through. In the case of VPC 2004, the test
    matrix was large enough given the currently supported host platforms
    without expanding it to include all of the currently released operating
    systems.
     
    Paul Adare - MVP - Microsoft Virtual PC, Jan 30, 2004
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  10. Scott,

    You have misunderstood my point.
    I see a number of posts implying that you can run a product on a system that
    is not on the minimum system requirements for a product and those people
    just seem to think they will be unsupported by PSS.
    The point I was making is that failure to meet the minimum requirements is
    not about just being unsupported, you expose your system and data to
    greater risks.

    The supported host opertaing systems for the Virtual PC 2004 product are
    covered under the System Requirements at
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/virtualpc/evaluation/sysreqs.asp

    Windows Server 2003 is a Server operating system designed to run
    applications for that platform.
    Virtual PC 2004 is a product designed for use on the desktop platform of
    Windows 2000 Professional and Windows XP Professional (as well as TabletPC
    Edition)
    We have a specific product that targets the facilities provided by the
    Server class opertaing systems (more memory etc etc) for virtualisation
    namely Microsoft "Virtual Server"
    Information and a preview program for which has been running since May 2003
    see
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/trial/virtualserver.mspx#section2

    These 2 products are targeted at different platforms and different solution
    spaces so I fail to understand your implication that you believe that our
    latest Server opertaing system should run every application available for,
    or targeted at, other non server platforms or previous operating system
    releases.

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    Mike
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    Mike Brannigan [MSFT], Jan 30, 2004
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  11. As a trainer I use Windows server 2003 because I need to write programs for
    it.

    I could now do that inside vpc but if I started on WS2003, I dont want to
    reinstall everything.
    I can understand that Virtual server is better t memory managment etc, but I
    don't use the server as real production server; I just use it as development
    server.

    Next to that I don' understand why home edition is not supported. I was
    under the impression that it was the same as XP pro, with restrictions on
    networking etc.

    Could you give us some insights why VPC is not suppost to run on Home
    edition?

    Yves Hanoulle
    www.hanoulle.be
     
    yves Hanoulle, Jan 30, 2004
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  12. If you look at
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/virtualpc/evaluation/overview2004.asp

    You can see the scenarios that Virtual PC 2004 was developed to accommodate.
    Non of these would commonly be applicable to a Home user.
    As has been covered elsewhere - if you have finite development and testing
    resource you concentrate on targeting you core usage scenarios.
    This would lead to a possible conclusion that if you are not targeting the
    home user space you do not spend any time on development on, or testing for,
    that platform.
    So a product is released with a set of minimum system requirements. These
    represent the development and testing minimum targets. Running a product on
    a system that does not meet the minimum system requirements is risky as I
    have covered in other answers. You should not run any software product on
    any system that fails to meet the Minimum System Requirements as specified
    by the software manufacturer.

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    Mike
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    Mike Brannigan [MSFT], Jan 30, 2004
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  13. The problem is that some Pc's (portables ) are only available with Home
    edition.

    If I replace them with XP pro, I loose a bunch of preinstalled stuff and I
    have warrenty problems.

    I would also like to use VPC in a classroom environment, where studenst will
    be programming inside our VPC, why would we pay for pc's with xp pro, if we
    don't really need that? (except then that VPC requires it...)
    (We can not by pc's without os)
     
    yves Hanoulle, Jan 30, 2004
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  14. Yves,

    Most OEMs of portable laptops have the option of Windows XP Professional
    (infact most recommend it in stead of Home Edition)

    One other thing to consider is the licensing you are covered by.
    If you build a Virtual PC image you are required to properly license that
    image. So if you have 10 physical PC with whatever operating system on them
    and then build 2 Virtual machines for each PC with Windows XP Professional
    for a course you are running you will need to hold 20 unique licenses for
    Windows XP Professional for those virtual PCs. We do not consider a virtual
    PC any different to a real pc with regard to licensing. Even if the virtual
    machine image is not active this is equivalent to a power off PC. You are
    still required to hold a valid license for that opertaing system on that PC
    until you remove the OS from that machine.
    However if you are a volume licensing customer the the volume license for
    Windows XP Professional now allows for the use of that licenses for one
    virtual PC instance on that physical machine.
    see
    http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/volbrief.asp
    Microsoft Windows Desktop Operating Systems for Software Virtual Machine Use

    If you are in a training environment with a significant number of PCs then I
    would not have expected you to be using retail product and also Windows XP
    Home edition seems an unusual choice for a training environment where you
    may wish to deliver courses on web development or full scale .Net Framework
    development both of which require IIS to be installed - which is not
    available on Windows XP Home Edition. Also the issue around Domain
    connectivity on Home do not make it a good candidate for a training room
    base OS.


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    Mike
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    Mike Brannigan [MSFT], Jan 30, 2004
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