xp licensing

Discussion in 'Virtual PC' started by Steve, Feb 4, 2005.

  1. Steve

    Steve Guest

    Hi, just had a small question. Can you use the same xp license multiple times
    via virtual pc, or must there be purchases for each?
     
    Steve, Feb 4, 2005
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  2. Each vm is a separate computer and requires its own license. This applies
    to Office, etc. as well. If you have an xp host and an xp vm you need two
    licenses, one for the host and one for the vm. If you have an xp host and
    two xp vm's, you need three licenses.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Feb 4, 2005
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  3. Steve

    Robert Comer Guest

    It depends on which XP license you have, but generally you have to buy a
    license for each machine, be it real or virtual via VPC.

    - Bob Comer
     
    Robert Comer, Feb 4, 2005
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  4. Steve

    AlanMcC Guest

    Actually, if you have a xp host computer you dont require a license for ONE
    Guest O.S and the same applies to office 2003.

    But for best practice, treat the virtual O.S the same way you would treat a
    physical computer, Each program you use requires a license, you pay to use
    the software not for the software itself (Which honestly is quite confusing,
    if you have read microsoft agreements you would know what i mean) There is
    legal loopholes, read microsofts software agreements for more information on
    what you can actually do.
     
    AlanMcC, Feb 4, 2005
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  5. Steve

    clyclopedic Guest

    The only case where this applies is so unlikely that it's not worth spending
    time worrying about. You would have had to have bought the orginal machine
    with no operating system or some back-level operating system and then
    upgraded to XP with Volume License media. Fat chance.
     
    clyclopedic, Feb 4, 2005
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  6. This only applies to people who have a VL agreement with Microsoft.
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    Ben Armstrong [MSFT], Feb 4, 2005
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  7. Steve

    clyclopedic Guest

    And not even then, in virtually every case, because those 'people' (more
    likely enterprises) bought their machines with an OEM XP license, so those
    machines are excluded.
    In practicality, it doesn't apply to anybody anywhere at any time.
     
    clyclopedic, Feb 5, 2005
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  8. Steve

    TerryK Guest

    What a rip off. If you where a testing department that essentially means that
    you can't make a master copy of an image and distribute it for testing
    purposes, it would be to expensive!! Lets be honest it is about squeezing as
    much money and mileage out of the customer as possible.

    So if I have this straight then:
    1. Create new base image of XP = 1 license, fair enough.
    2. Copy that image and use it with Office97 = another XP license and an
    Office97 license
    3. Copy the base image and install Office03 = another XP license and an
    Office03 license

    Whilst I don't have an issue witht he base license and Office licenses but
    to charge for another license when copying the base image smacks of blatant
    money grabbing!

     
    TerryK, Apr 11, 2006
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  9. Steve

    Paul Adare Guest

    microsoft.public.virtualpc news group, =?Utf-8?B?VGVycnlL?=
    Money grabbing? What would the answer have been in the pre-VPC days when
    you were doing this with real computers? Same requirements. Why should
    the fact that you're using a virtual machine entitle you to free
    licenses? Do think that Microsoft should all of a sudden be in the
    charity business and give their software away for free?

    FWIW, if you're a "testing department" then there are other solutions
    such as volume licensing programs and MSDN that will provide you with
    additional licenses.

    I really don't get why people assume that virtualization automatically
    means that Microsoft should start giving licenses away for free.


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    Paul Adare - MVP Virtual Machines
    It all began with Adam. He was the first man to tell a joke--or a lie.
    How lucky Adam was. He knew when he said a good thing, nobody had said
    it before. Adam was not alone in the Garden of Eden, however, and does
    not deserve all the credit; much is due to Eve, the first woman, and
    Satan, the first consultant." - Mark Twain
     
    Paul Adare, Apr 11, 2006
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  10. Steve

    TerryK Guest

    Well put, perhaps I turned up the flame a bit too high?
    So scenario two then. If I obtained all of these licenses and then copied
    these images to another same speced machine would that equate to the
    following:
    Another three XP licenses, two Office97 and two Office03 licenses then?
    Terry.
     
    TerryK, Apr 11, 2006
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  11. Steve

    Paul Adare Guest

    microsoft.public.virtualpc news group, =?Utf-8?B?VGVycnlL?=
    So you've got two boxes with 3 virtual machines on each, all running XP,
    one on each box running Office 97, and one on each box running Office
    2003? If so, then you'd need 6 XP licenses for the VMs, plus a license
    for each host. For Office 2003, if you'd actually read the EULA you'd
    see that it explicitly grants you a license for two installs. Not sure
    if the same applies for Office 97, you'd need to read the EULA.


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    Paul Adare - MVP Virtual Machines
    It all began with Adam. He was the first man to tell a joke--or a lie.
    How lucky Adam was. He knew when he said a good thing, nobody had said
    it before. Adam was not alone in the Garden of Eden, however, and does
    not deserve all the credit; much is due to Eve, the first woman, and
    Satan, the first consultant." - Mark Twain
     
    Paul Adare, Apr 11, 2006
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  12. Hi Paul,

    Since you sound like you know what you are talking about can I ask a
    question on this front too?

    Let's just suppose I create an application that can be used in hundreds of
    configurations. I have an installer that can create an install-script for
    each of these situations dynamically. What I would like to do is create
    Virtual Machines (or maybe more accurate) Virtual Harddisk's for each of
    these scenario's and test all scenario's automatically.
    If I did this in one single virtual machine that would only run the OS on
    one single virtual harddisk at a time, but hundreds of them sequentially,
    would I need one single OS-license for the Guest OS (of course they are all
    the same XP-version) on all the virtual harddisk's or would I need hundred's
    of them?

    TIA,

    Patrick
     
    Patrick Vletter \(Prive\), Apr 11, 2006
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  13. Steve

    Paul Adare Guest

    microsoft.public.virtualpc news group, Patrick Vletter (Prive)
    Hundreds of them. One for each installed instance of the OS.

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    Paul Adare - MVP Virtual Machines
    It all began with Adam. He was the first man to tell a joke--or a lie.
    How lucky Adam was. He knew when he said a good thing, nobody had said
    it before. Adam was not alone in the Garden of Eden, however, and does
    not deserve all the credit; much is due to Eve, the first woman, and
    Satan, the first consultant." - Mark Twain
     
    Paul Adare, Apr 11, 2006
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  14. If I did this in one single virtual machine that would only run the OS on
    Paul,

    Thx for your time and answer.

    That's quite bizare. What if I would have hundreds of Ghost images to
    achieve the same solution. In that case I would only need as many licenses
    as I would run concurrently on different machines... To me the big question
    in this case is: what is an installed license.

    Let me just put it another way. What if I made 200 copies of the same
    virtual harddisk but never linked them into a virtual machine. Would I then
    have the need for 200 licenses?

    TIA,

    Patrick
     
    Patrick Vletter \(Prive\), Apr 11, 2006
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  15. No - by current client OS licensing you would need to have a license for
    each Ghost image too. Note that on the server side of things we have
    recently moved from a 'per-installation' license model (like that
    discussed here) to a 'per-instantiation' license model - where you can
    have as many images as you like - but you only pay for the ones that are
    running.
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    Cheers,
    Benjamin Armstrong
    ===============================
    Virtual machine Program Manager

    This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
    You assume all risk for your use.
     
    Ben Armstrong [MSFT], Apr 11, 2006
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  16. Steve

    Robert Moir Guest

    TerryK wrote:

    If you want to read about money grabbing then search for licence issues
    regarding 'per processor' software running on dual core processors. Be sure
    to check the situation for all your current line of business app vendors on
    this before upgrading your servers to new hardware.

    Are those companies with pricing plans you don't like for virtual servers
    and pricing plans that I don't like for dual core all "money grabbing"? Or
    is it simply that licences are written by lawyers to reflect a situation
    that promptly becomes out-dated due to the speed technology moves.

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    I'm always surprised at "professionals" who STILL have to be asked "Have you
    checked (event viewer / syslog)".
     
    Robert Moir, Apr 11, 2006
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  17. Steve

    Ross Guest

    Bleh, MS should apply that rule to OEM licences too. If they're happy for
    enterprise customers to do that they should allow smaller companies the same
    benefits.

    At the end of the day, if MS allow me to run a windows XP host OS, with a
    virtual machine providing the full XP for the client I'll happily do that.
    The users will only be using the one installation, the only reason I'd have
    two installs is because I'm lazy.

    However if I have to buy two licences from MS to achieve that you can
    guarantee I'll be using Linux as my host OS.

    Either way I'm only using one copy of XP, it's just a question of whether MS
    really want that many Linux installs on networks where VM's are to be used...
     
    Ross, May 24, 2006
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  18. Steve

    GarretMott Guest

    Hi -

    I guess I must be stupid or something. I write software (yes - that alone
    makes me stupid - but I mean beyond that). A user installs it on *one*
    machine. The he/she runs 4 copies at once so he/she can compare 4 different
    accounts. Unless the user has multiple personalities, it's one person using
    one instance of the app at a time. I'm good with that - especially if they
    tell a friend how great it is...

    Next - I buy a computer with Vista. I need to install a virtual machine to
    run XP to maintain compatibility with older versions of the language in which
    I develop. Either that or limp my old machine along.

    Now - I have not (yet) been diagnosed with multiple personalities. So - how
    am I supposed to run 2 OS's at the same time? OK - a long compile could
    overlap by a minute or 3. Is that the technicality MS uses?

    I just don't get it. I can open MS Word with 2 documents - I'm violating my
    license agreement by doing so? If so - 99.9% of all users are.

    Seems to me that the world of VM's has changed the landscape & that MS (&
    others) need to accept the new age - no?

    Signed
    Confused in Vermont...

    Garret
     
    GarretMott, Feb 1, 2008
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  19. The licensing of Windows clients for personal or production use permits
    installation of one copy of the software. Each installed copy therefore
    requires its own license. A virtual machine is a computer in its own right
    so the fact that it is running on the desktop of another Windows machine is
    immaterial as far as the licensing is concerned. A separate license for the
    Windows running in the virtual machine is still required.

    The analogy to a user opening multiple documents with the same copy of Word
    goes nowhere. It is Word that is licensed, not the documents.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Feb 1, 2008
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  20. Steve

    Gary Mount Guest

    You will find that if you run two copies of Word, only one executable is
    actually running. Look at the processes running in task manager to see for
    your self with two copies of word running. You will see only one instance of
    winword.exe
     
    Gary Mount, Feb 1, 2008
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