XP Pro fails to install on VM from OEM CD

Discussion in 'Virtual PC' started by jmorg, Mar 29, 2008.

  1. jmorg

    jmorg Guest

    I can't get XP Pro to install from oem cd (not a recovery cd). I followed the
    instructions to change cd drive to primary controller after setting up the
    VM. Start VM. Insert cd. Press enter. Get black screen 'argon pxe..'..wait
    for reboot
    request....reboot (with cd installed)....get green screen in VM window
    indicating 'windows set up'....files are now loading automatically without
    prompt screens...computer goes to multiple choice restart screen, then
    restarts to vista. When I start Virtual PC, VM will not respond. I checked
    the cd in my old XP machine and my new Vista machine and it boots properly.
    I've deleted the VM and uninstalled Virtual PC three times without success.
    The last time I got a promt to down load SP1 for Vista after an error screen
    restart. The program seems to run fine other than the os load difficulty.
    What am I doing wrong? The VM machine properties shows 'n/a' as guest
    operating system indicating a failed install. All of this is on a new Dell
    Insperon 1521 w/ AMD processor. Should I go to a dual boot software instead?
    I like the idea of a virtual machine better for my purposes. Should I be
    using another software?
     
    jmorg, Mar 29, 2008
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  2. It is probably a bios-locked cd and if so it will not install in a vm (or
    any other computer except the one it came with). If this is a cd from a
    computer it came preinstalled on you may not use it anyway because OEM
    software is not transferrable to another computer, even a virtual machine on
    the same computer.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Mar 29, 2008
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  3. jmorg

    jmorg Guest

    Thank you for responding. I don't understand why it seems to load properly on
    2 different OS's (stopping it before it actually installs), but fails to load
    at all on the VM. As far as I know it is a legitimate OEM CD with product
    key. Is Virtual PC not compatable with OEM OS's?
     
    jmorg, Mar 29, 2008
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  4. jmorg

    Bo Berglund Guest

    Are you sure? The virtual machine could not restart to *Vista* from an
    XP CD, that is simply impossible!
    Use an imaging software such as WinImage to make an ISO miage of your
    XP setup CD.
    Then when you start the virtual machine and it goes to the prompt for
    bootable media in the black window, drag the ISO file using Windows
    Explorer on the *host* to the optical disk icon in the bottom of the
    VPC guest window. THen use the menu Action/Reset guest and it should
    boot off the ISO file and continue to install the operating system.

    Also take a look at this tutorial:
    http://www.goodells.net/virtualpc/index.htm


    Bo Berglund
     
    Bo Berglund, Mar 29, 2008
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  5. Virtual PC is an application that sets up software computers. Where did you
    get the cd?
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Mar 30, 2008
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  6. jmorg

    jmorg Guest

    I could not get it to boot from a fresh Microsoft downloaded boot disk. New
    Virtual PC download, new VM from scratch. I reviewed the Goodells site, that
    makes it about ten times harder than following the wizard. I have worked this
    problem for 10 hours today and I feel this is just a mean-spirited joke on
    those of us that are not computer pros. Ha ha ha very funny Mr. Gates. I will
    go to bed with a prayer that someone begins to create software for the rest
    of us. I HATE VISTA. I CAN'T BUY A COMPUTER WITHOUT IT. Now I know where the
    animosity comes from.
     
    jmorg, Mar 30, 2008
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  7. jmorg

    jmorg Guest

    I am going through all of this because it is not possible to learn Vista and
    Office 2007 overnight (not to mention every other application that will no
    longer be supported in the near future). It is impossible. All I wanted out
    of this exercise was to remain marginally functional at work (on XP) while
    changing to a new operating system I neither need nor want.
     
    jmorg, Mar 30, 2008
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  8. jmorg

    Steve Jain Guest

    Installing an OS in a VM is pretty simple. It's likely you're running
    into issues since you're violating licensing by installing an OEM
    version of Windows into a VM. There was only one OEM that supplied
    legal copies of XP for Virtual PC, Connectix Corporation. Their
    assets, including VPC, were purchased by Microsoft in 2003.

    The VPC Wizard ONLY creates a VM for you, it does not instruct you in
    how to install a particular OS.

    There are complete instructions on my site for installing XP in VPC.
    A VM is 3 basic steps:
    1. Create a new VM in VPC
    2. Install an OS.
    3. Install VM Additions (Windows OS)

    Of course, this can be expanded to hundreds of steps, depending on how
    detailed and complete the instructions need to be. Just because there
    are a lot of instructions, doesn't mean the task is complex.
    Bill Gates has nothing to do with VPC or any other VM software.
    You and Sebastian G should get along great!
    Funny, I buy Dell Latitude notebooks with XP Pro for my company
    regularly. I've purchased at least 12 in the last month, all with XP
    Pro.
     
    Steve Jain, Mar 30, 2008
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  9. jmorg

    jmorg Guest

    Do the condecending answers without explanation make you feel superior in
    some way? Please forgive my inexperience. I assumed that businesses in my
    area would be upgrading to Vista, however not one has. Being in the
    construction industry and laid off for some time I can't afford to spend
    hundreds more for a custom laptop and had to settle for "off the shelf". My
    mistake. Many of my fellow managers are having the same problem with file
    sharing. I had hoped that this might work before I tried something risky like
    dual booting or wiping the hard drive. I guess I misunderstood the
    explanation of why the XP CD boots instantly in two machines but not in the
    VM. Forgive my frustration. I guess you can't remember being a beginner and
    spending an entire day with no results on a project that your job depends on.
    Perhaps you can direct me to a forum better suited to people with
    comparitively few computer skills. This is the first time I have not been
    helped quickly and simply on one of these forums. I appologize for the
    intrusion.
     
    jmorg, Mar 30, 2008
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  10. Apple. :)

     
    Colin Barnhorst, Mar 30, 2008
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  11. There are 2 things you can do. First, download then Vista trial virtual
    machine. This will allow you to run Vista while you are doing your work
    inside of WindowsXP. The only way I was able to get WindowsXP to
    install and activate was with a retail disk. In theory though, you
    could use a OEM disk bought with another piece of hardware like a hard
    disk or such and it should work and activate without any difficulties.
    be careful since even some raw motherboards come with BIOS locked OEM
    disks. The Vista trial disk can be found at;

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...37-d4d1-4b9b-926d-86493c7da1aa&DisplayLang=en

    The second thing you can check is whether or not the OEM disk is BIOS
    locked. I am not sure if you are aware that all PCs contain a BIOS. The
    BIOS is unique to that model (actually there are cases when upgrades
    are made and there will be additional BIOSes for that model). The
    virtual machine you create also has a BIOS. The BIOS it has is NOT the
    same as your physical machine. As a result if the OEM disk is BIOS
    locked, then it will not want to install on the virtual machine.

    As a side note, there was a short period of time between 2001 and 2003
    where some Compaq laptops would not run the recovery disk if you
    upgraded the BIOS that you got off of their web site. It was a very
    silly state of affairs. Not unlike the first CD drive I bought where
    the software came on a CD ONLY.

    --

    Sincerely,
    C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T

    CSD Computer Services
    Web site: http://csdcs.tlerma.com/
    E-mail:
     
    C.Joseph S. Drayton, Mar 30, 2008
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  12. jmorg

    Steve Jain Guest

    Actually, the cost of XP Pro is the same as the Vista comparable OSes,
    at least with Dell, $99 over Vista Home, XP Home.
    File sharing on a network in Vista? Have you tried to resolve this
    first? It does work, you're probably just missing some
    configurations.
    Regardless of that you're still violating XP OEM licensing. If so,
    that's likely your problem, since many OEM versions have code that
    specifically looks for a vendor IS in the bios or some part of the
    system.
    Is the XP OEM version from a model the same as those other 2
    computers?
    If you want help then don't start the attitide in your posts, Gates
    insults, Vista sucks, etc.

    If you can't boot from an MS boot disk or the XP CD, have you tried
    creating a new VM?

    You also said that after the VM starts booting it reverts back to
    Vista? Are you saying that your whole computer is rebooting?

    You didn't answer a lot of the previous questions about the problems
    you were having. Yeah, it can be frustrating, but give us the info on
    those questions.
     
    Steve Jain, Mar 31, 2008
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  13. jmorg

    jmorg Guest

    Thank you for your response. You are right, the frustration got to me.
    Before asking a question I worked the problem for 6 hours by reviewing the
    Virtual PC website and help menu, removing and reinstalling the program,
    rebooting the computer, and reading as many related posts as I could find.
    Rinse and repeat... Rinse and repeat. I'm going back through the process now,
    step by step.
    1. The program seems to install fine (easy after several times). The wizard
    is straight foreward and simple to follow.
    2. On each reinstall I have uninstalled the program and deleted the 'my
    documents' file containing the VM. (on start up the new VM wizard comes up
    with a notice about the last VM that was not found)
    3. Create new VM. (increase ram to 503mb and create new VHD @ 80000mb)
    4. The program seems to communicate with the E drive (cd) correctly.
    5. The reinstall goes well untill I try to install the os using the Help
    instructions step #3 from 'Use startup CD or ISO file to install an operating
    system' page, 'Insert the startup CD for the os into the cd drive, then press
    Enter.'
    6. The drive starts and I can hear it read for 1-2 secs., continues to spin
    w/o reading for 5-7 secs., then (after about 60 secs.)window changes to black
    'reboot and select' screen.
    7. Rebooting with the disc in starts a 'windows is inspecting your system
    requirements' screen followed by a 'windows set up' with auto reading of the
    cd. this all occurs within the VM window. Then a full screen warning appears
    'a problem has been detected...' 'a clock interupt was not recieved on a
    secondary processor...'. I press and hold the on/off button to turn off the
    computer.
    8. On restart the 'windows did not close properly..'notice appears. Windows
    restarts automatically and offers to go online to find the problem. It shows
    another window prompting me to download SP1 for Vista.
    9. I am doing that now.
    Whatever happened at #7 was the second occurrence and I'm very uncomfortable
    with attempting anything with that OS CD again. I'm returning it to the
    friend who gave it to me (the same 'computer expert' who advised me not to
    worry about changing or adding an OS to my laptop after purchase, glad I
    didn't follow the rest of his advice).
    As I'm learning, my own research on the Microsoft and Dell websites trumps
    most other information. If you still think the only problem is the CD, I will
    purchase a new XP CD (non-OEM) and try again, however my skills may not be up
    to Winimage and iso image transfers. I'm intrigued by this VM concept.
    Also, the real difference in cost was both the xp and upgrade from a Dell
    'outlet special'. Admittedly, $300-$400 is a trivial amount....... untill you
    spend 3 months on the unemployment line for the first time in your life. The
    new laptop was the deciding factor being selected for my new job.
    I really like the look and feel of vista, but after 5 years on XP, I'm lost
    and hopelessly slow. Thank you for all your help.
     
    jmorg, Mar 31, 2008
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  14. Start a fresh vm. Use 256mb for the installation. Use the default vhd
    size. If you get a successful installation you can change the memory
    allocation by shutting down the vm and adjusting in the vm settings.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Mar 31, 2008
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  15. jmorg

    Robert Comer Guest

    7 is definitely the problem, and Vista SP1 may fix that. I'd also
    check for a BIOS update on your laptop, and if those fail, turn off VT
    in your BIOS and see if that helps.

    I don't think the XP install CD has anything to do with this
    problem...
     
    Robert Comer, Mar 31, 2008
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  16. jmorg

    jmorg Guest

    Yes, thank you. I tried this and other combinations again.(with WAN off)
    1-6 were identical exept for changing ram and vhd. (black 'Reboot and...'
    screen)
    7. I did not attempt restart w/ cd in drive (bad result previously).
    8. Turn off VM and remove cd.
    9. Start VM.(black window showing 'Argon PXE.....CLIENT MAC
    ADDR:.......DHCP...with revolving cursor)
    10.Insert cd.
    11.Press enter.
    12.CD drive starts, then stops after 20-30 secs.(settings screen shows cd
    drive as primary controller and floppy drive as auto detected)
    13.Black 'Reboot and Select proper Boot device...' screen appears.
    This CD will start in the same machine in Vista. It will start in my old
    machine with XP. I do not proceed beyond the initial start screen in either
    case. Can the VM detect some problem the others can't? Everything seems to
    point to the CD. When I restarted the VM with the CD in the drive (this
    morning), it auto-loads files in the VM window, then creates the full screen
    warning about the 'clock interupt was not recieved on a secondary
    processor...'.
     
    jmorg, Mar 31, 2008
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  17. jmorg

    smbdymf Guest

    You could if you wanted to.
     
    smbdymf, Mar 31, 2008
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  18. jmorg

    Steve Jain Guest

    Yes, that sounds like some kind of hardware issue, if you're getting a
    full-screen error message.

    If there is no new BIOS update, then try disabling the hardware
    virtualization option in VPC's options, or try disabling it in the
    BIOS if you have an option.
     
    Steve Jain, Mar 31, 2008
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  19. jmorg

    Bo Berglund Guest

    That is real simple:
    Go to www.winimage.com and download the free trial and install it.

    Then put your install CD into the optical drive and start WinImage.

    Next, use the menu "Disk/Create CD-ROM ISO Image" and follow the
    button Browse to select a location and name of the target file to
    create.
    Then click OK and wait.

    After a while the process is done (provided the disk is good) and you
    can capture this ISO image in tour VPC guest window instead of the
    physical drive.

    I have encountered problems several times when trying to install from
    a disk in the drive into VPC and finally gave up and started making
    ISO files. They are much faster too.
    (I have a DELL PC with a Philips DVD drive.)


    Bo Berglund
     
    Bo Berglund, Mar 31, 2008
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    jmorg Guest

    Thank you to all for your assistance. I down loaded Winimage and followed
    the instructions to create an image and place it on my desktop. Your're
    right, easy enough. I did this on my old XP machine just to be safe. I will
    now redo it on the Vista machine and follow your instructions. Unfortunately
    my real job will halt the process for a bit. I will report the results (or
    problems) in a new post referencing this one by date and title. I look
    forward to placing both OSs side by side to assist my transition to Vista
    (and back). This is over my head but I'm making progress. Thank you again.
     
    jmorg, Apr 2, 2008
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