Yet another C00D1197 - Web-hosted video, not mms

Discussion in 'Windows Media Player' started by ISingBass, Feb 25, 2007.

  1. ISingBass

    ISingBass Guest

    Hopefully this is detailed and clear enough.

    I am a college student trying to accsess some recorded lectures for review.
    Here's the URL to one of them:

    http://engrsv19.engr.uark.edu/Media...cc81/2eb34965-dd9a-43b5-9a2b-4522e370cc81.wvx

    I asked the class (electrical engineering students, various configurations)
    if anyone of them has had problems, and they have no trouble, but on all of
    my family's computers (XP SP2, IE7, WMP11) I get a "cannot find the file"
    error. I have no trouble playing videos from anywhere else. I took my
    notebook computer to school to try on that network and had the same results,
    though the campus computers work just fine. They use Media Player 9 or 10.

    I have tried all of the suggestions I could find (on this board and others,
    the suggestions in http://tinyurl.com/yu658 and Web Help, i.e. ensure all
    protocols enabled, etc.), disabled all the firewalls I could find, set
    Internet security to minimum, to my knowledge, and even uninstalled WMP 11 to
    use Media Player 9. Nothing works. I did find that the videos will play in
    version 6.4 (mplayer2.exe), but that is a far less-than-ideal solution
    because it is inteded to be presented on the Web (through Mediasite software
    www.mediasite.com) with a synchronized slide show of the instructor's notes.

    I hope there's enough detail to help.
    ****To recap:

    I'm trying to play the video at URL:
    http://engrsv19.engr.uark.edu/Media...cc81/2eb34965-dd9a-43b5-9a2b-4522e370cc81.wvx

    Using all suggestions so far, I continue to get the "cannot find the file"
    error. The file does play in Windows Media Player 6.4. All the other students
    can view the video (Some surely have computers with the same software
    configuration as mine) normally. I have no problems with video files
    elsewhere.

    My primary system is a VAIO notebook configured as follows:
    Pentium M processor
    512 MB RAM
    60 GB Hard Disk
    Windows XP Home SP2
    IE7
    WMP11
    All available updates installed
    Intel wireless B/G Wi-fi adapter

    Jeremy
     
    ISingBass, Feb 25, 2007
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    ISingBass Guest

    ISingBass, Feb 25, 2007
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  3. ISingBass

    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    Actually, that is an MMS URL - the WVX file is just wrapping it. So it does
    appear that this is coming from a Windows 2000 Windows Media Server that
    does not have HTTP enabled. Turn that on on the server and it should work
    great.
     
    zachd [MSFT], Feb 25, 2007
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  4. ISingBass

    ISingBass Guest

    Hmmm, interesting.

    How do I ask for that to be done? Just ask the system administrator to
    "enable HTTP on the server?"
     
    ISingBass, Feb 25, 2007
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  5. ISingBass

    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    Actually, yes. Surprisingly most sites are generally pretty
    good/responsive.

    I would probably send something along the lines of:

    "dear Bob Boblaw,

    Your Windows 2000 Media Server is using very old deprecated protocols that
    are no longer supported with Windows Vista. If you could enable HTTP
    streaming in the Windows Media Server administrator on your servers, that
    would allow Vista clients to play back those streams too. I would realllly
    appreciate this. =D"

    or something kind like that. A quick pointer to how to do this probably
    would be nice too, but wouldn't be required. =\
     
    zachd [MSFT], Feb 25, 2007
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  6. ISingBass

    Dale Guest

    That was sort of Zach's way of pretending the problem is not Microsoft's
    fault. Windows Media Player quit supporting a very commonly used protocol
    and now is putting the onus on you to fix it as if you had access to the
    server. While Zach says the protocol is "deprecated" we all know it is
    still commonly used.

    Apparently Zach does not know the meaning of the word deprecated.

    And he hasn't responded to any requests for any links where Microsoft ever
    published anything in advance that WMP 11 would not support mms. And,
    according to those here who used WMP 11 through the beta cycle, the betas
    all did support mms; the support was dropped without explanation only when
    WMP 11 went to production.

    So, what Zach really means, in my opinion, is that you're just out of luck.
    Contact the media provider for the content in question.


    Dale
     
    Dale, Feb 25, 2007
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  7. ISingBass

    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    I think we're saying the same thing... ? You can use mplayer2.exe to access
    MMS protocol URLs, but if you want a solution moving forward, the server
    needs to either be updated or to have HTTP streaming turned on.

    When I say deprecated, I mean "highly recommended as a rollover protocol"
    but "not recommended as a streaming protocol". So MMS does work, but
    doesn't work. So the "breakage"/problems should be realllllllllllllly
    limited. Really - if you're still running Windows 2000, it's just a button
    in one dialog, if I recall correctly. (I might not, since I haven't worked
    on WMS for years, but --- that's TMK.) If you're running on anything more
    recent, "MMS" will work fine. The prevalence of "MMS" URLs thus should be
    extremely extremely deceptive. =) Although I would love stats in this
    area. It just seems so easy to fix if there even are problems here...
    *shrug*. Much less of a nuisance, really, than the MIME types thing has
    been. =)

    No idea what the communication on this was, no particular interest in ever
    tracking it. I promise I don't really care about this issue and will do no
    investigation on this front. If some vendor is upset and wants to contact
    product support or their official channel, party on. That's Chris' group, I
    love Chris, it's generally a great bunch of people, whatever. Just
    dooooooooon't care and have no involvement with that. You don't want to
    talk to me about this, and I don't know anything here. =D

    But it's visible with a simple search. Just look for "MMS deprecated" on
    microsoft.com and you'll see various coverage of this. Or look on your
    favorite search engine for "mms deprecated windows media". I don't know
    anything about 'official communications' and couldn't be paid to care. =)
     
    zachd [MSFT], Feb 26, 2007
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  8. ISingBass

    ISingBass Guest

    Thanks for the input. I will relay what I have learned to the system admin. I
    don't care and I don't think he/she cares who's fault it is either. We just
    need to get it working right.

    Jeremy
     
    ISingBass, Feb 26, 2007
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