Yet another foray into which version to buy...

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Lang Murphy, Dec 18, 2006.

  1. Lang Murphy

    Lang Murphy Guest

    Hmm... thinking about the different versions and the capabilities of each...
    I work with a guy who has a consulting business on the side. He will not
    install XP Home in any situation; swears by XP Pro, even for home
    installations because he says XP Home presents too many problems with
    networking. His two cents. Don't think he's trying to get his customers to
    spend more money, just make his life easier, methinks. Considering that I
    can't connect from Vista RTM to a printer hanging off an XP Home box, but if
    I take that printer and hang it off an XP Pro box, I can connect without
    issue, I may have to give some weight to my co-worker's opinion.

    So... the delta between Vista Home Premium and Business is $60. I am
    wondering if it's worth that extra $60 to go with Business? I guess the hard
    question here is, or maybe better put, the unknown here is: just exactly how
    has networking changed from XP Home to Vista Home Premium... wondering if
    Home Premium does a better job at handling certain networking tasks than XP
    Home does... jes' wondering out loud, I suppose.

    Plus... Business has Complete PC Backup Restore, which is something I like.
    I haven't tried Acronis, but I think I've seen positive comments on it in
    this NG. Well, don't know that I need to, or would, use much more
    functionality that what Complete PC Backup Restore offers and Acronis is
    $50, so -my- delta between Home Premium and Business has just shrunk to $10.

    Lang Murphy, Dec 18, 2006
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  2. I won't bother getting heavily into XP networking here, save to say that in
    98% of all cases if it works on an XP Pro computer it should work on an XP
    Home computer unless you've screwed it up. :)

    What I will get into instead is the fact that I'm not sure that recommending
    Vista Business instead of Vista Home Premium is doing a service to home
    users. Look at the feature charts and see what the home user doesn't get if
    you convince them to buy a copy of the Business version instead of the Home
    Premium version.

    Comparing XP Home and XP Pro there really isn't much difference. Both
    contain essentially the same tools, the same utilities, etc. Comparing
    Vista Business and Vista Home Premium there is a huge difference in what the
    user gets. I just don't think the Business version is a good match for home

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    Richard G. Harper, Dec 18, 2006
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  3. I used the complete system backup in Vista until I started using TrueImage
    HOME 10.0.

    I have now turned off system restore and no longer use Vista backup.

    With TrueImage you have almost infinite control of the finalized
    disk/partition image and the image can be compressed. In fact, using
    "normal" compression is faster than using no compression.

    Because of my disk layout (2 SATA drives and 2 IDE drives) I have to
    physically disconnect the 2 IDE drives if I want to restore, using the Vista
    backup/restore program. If I don't, booting from the Vista DVD writes
    information to the primary IDE drive and will trash it, causing loss of the
    entire drives data. This happened to me 3 times.

    Booting from the TrueImage CD I just browse to where the image file is saved
    and implement the restore process. I can leave all the drives physically



    Richard Urban
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    Richard Urban, Dec 18, 2006
  4. Lang Murphy

    Chad Harris Guest


    Have a good holiday with your family. Guys like you, me, Mr. Harper, know a
    lot of ways to backup--probably have tried a few imagers. Acronis is
    widely praised and highly reliable and I have it--at least one that worked
    for XP and I could probably kick around and update to work for Vista, or
    might have to get a new one, but the virtue of the simplistic backup in
    Vista is that anyone can use it so hopefully it will encourage people to
    backup with a higher percent than it's estimated or surveyed that happens in
    homes and small businesses and incrementally.

    I agree with the criticisms that it should be able to do more in detail at
    the file level, and suspect there will be an update to it--I can't figure
    out why they offer so many browse opportunities in wizards and don't offer
    more detail in the backup

    Here's the most detailed differentiation of editions I could find:

    Which Vista is Right for You,1217,a=195652,00.asp

    Chad Harris, Dec 18, 2006
  5. Lang Murphy

    Chad Harris Guest

    Chad Harris, Dec 18, 2006
  6. Lang Murphy

    Saucy Guest

    I agree with your collegue. Up 'til now XP Pro is the no-brainer Windows
    client OS - especially for laptops. Imagine the frustration of thousands who
    took their laptops running Home to campus only to find they could not
    connect. Sure many people do just fine with Home .. but as said, once one
    gets into networking Home quickly shows its limitations and annoying
    Saucy, Dec 18, 2006
  7. Lang Murphy

    Lang Murphy Guest


    Thanks for the feedback. "Roger that" on whether business is a good fit for
    home users. I guess we all have to measure the features and decide which
    we're going to "replace" with 3rd party apps if we don't want to spring for


    Lang Murphy, Dec 19, 2006
  8. Lang Murphy

    Lang Murphy Guest


    Thanks for the feedback. Will check out TrueImage HOME 10.0. Appreciate it.

    Lang Murphy, Dec 19, 2006
  9. Lang Murphy

    Lang Murphy Guest


    Hey, hope this holiday season is great for you and yours.

    I'm most experienced with Drive Image Pro, for which Symantec is continuing
    support for our project, due to utilities that Ghost doesn't support yet,
    but have used Ghost here too.

    You caught my point... the simplistic backup. My intent is to snap an image
    after initial OS and app install/config. If something goes south, it's "bare
    metal" baby! Backups of data files will not occur via Complete PC Backup
    Restore or any other imaging tool, although I know guys that do that for
    backup. I just don't have the gigage to do that on a regular basis, although
    the cost of gigage continues to plummet, so... maybe that's a future

    Thanks for the ExtemeTech link... will check it out, fer sure, dude. LOL.
    Sorry... laughing at one's own jokes that no one else gets is a bit, uh,
    dopey? Work with a bunch of guys in SoCal... was out there, on site, for 3
    years. "Dude" this, "dude" that... hahaha. I went to a party a couple of
    weeks ago and had a few brewskies and was, heh, heh, heh... like "dude" this
    and "dude" that and you don't get that much "dude-age"in the over 50 crowd
    in Georgia, so some of the folks at the party were amused. Babble...
    sorry... LOL.

    Lang Murphy, Dec 19, 2006
  10. Lang Murphy

    Lang Murphy Guest


    Ah, so the guy's not a complete idiot, hey? Hahaha. Naw... he's a good guy,
    and like I posted, I've had issues with XP Home as relates to networking
    so... I think we're of the same mind. Cool.

    Thanks for the feedback; appreciated.

    Lang Murphy, Dec 19, 2006
  11. Acronis will likely have an update to TrueImage HOME within a month or so.
    Be sure to register your serial number on their web site to be able to
    download the backup. Don't forget your account information. You need it to
    log-in to get an update.



    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
    Richard Urban, Dec 19, 2006
  12. It does certainly seem to be a tough call that requires taking into
    account the specifics of the specific home user.

    Daze N. Knights, Dec 19, 2006
  13. Lang Murphy

    Lang Murphy Guest


    Yeah, that's kinda my point... One must balance features vs. 3rd party apps
    that replicate those features and just how feature rich one needs an app to
    be to do what one needs to do. Of course, spending, for the sake of
    arguement, 8 hours to determine the right path so one can save $50... hmm...
    I guess, ultimately, no pun intended, it's more about what one needs to do
    than how much one must spend to do it.


    Lang Murphy, Dec 20, 2006
  14. Lang Murphy

    Lang Murphy Guest

    Thanks, Richard.


    Lang Murphy, Dec 21, 2006
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