"You are running out of disk space on RECOVERY (D:)" message.

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Robert Judge, Jul 4, 2008.

  1. Robert Judge

    Robert Judge Guest

    On my new VISTA PC, I tried to use the built-in Backup program. The back-up
    apparently failed because there was not enough room on the "RECOVERY (D:)
    disk.

    Now, when I re-start my new VISTA PC, I get this message:
    "Low Disk Space
    You are runing out of disk space on RECOVERY (D:). To free space on this
    drive by delteing old or unnecessary files, click here..."

    When I "Click here," I am then offered "Disk Cleanup for RECOVERY (D:)."
    The Disk Cleanup offers "Office Setup Files" and "Recylce Bin," but both have
    "0 bytes" so I can't free up space that way.

    When I open the Backup and Restore center and try to backup files, the
    program starts by "Creating a shadow copy." However, I then get a message:
    "An error occurred...There is not enough space to save the backup files.
    Free up disk space or change yur backup settings. (0x81000005)."

    If I have limited space on "RECOVERY D," I only need to backup Documents.
    But even when I only check "Documents," I get the same error message.

    I am thinking that I should delete the contents of RECOERY D and try to
    start over again. However, there appears to be some files that came already
    installed on RECOVERY D. However, I see a folder called "Backup Set
    2008-06-08 193208," which I assume is the failed backup that I tried on June
    6. Should I just delete that folder and try again? Or is there some other
    way I should try to use the "Backup and Restore" program? I will appreciate
    advice.
     
    Robert Judge, Jul 4, 2008
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    Charlie Tame Guest

    Wait for other answers please, just to make sure.

    I think the D drive is only going to be made large enough to take what
    the OEM thought should go there (Plus a bit of spare space of course),

    An incomplete backup file is probably quite useless anyway, so yes that
    it what I think you should delete.

    My other suggestion would be to avoid using the D drive for anything at
    all, if you overwrite something important on it you will not be able to
    use it to restore your system to factory defaults.

    You could consider backing up that partition onto CD / DVD whatever or
    ask the makers for a set of recovery disks, otherwise if it goes south
    you may end up having to buy a retail Vista. At least if you had it on
    removable media you would stand a chance if the drive itself ever fails
    - it does happen I have a year old Seagate peperweight here right now.
     
    Charlie Tame, Jul 4, 2008
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    Mick Murphy Guest

    Your D: Partition is a partition set up on your computer by the Manufacturer
    in case of serious problems in the Vista operation system.
    DO NOT TOUCH IT.

    You are supposed to make recovery DVDs from it to reinstall Vista in case of
    complete Hard Drive failure.
    Also, at Startup, there is an F Key option to reinstall vista from it, back
    to factory standards, in case of System crash.
    To Backup your System/Data, buy an external Hard drive, and save to that.
     
    Mick Murphy, Jul 4, 2008
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  4. Backup programs look for a drive or partition other than C because the very
    last place that a backup should be deposited..

    In your case, it found another partition which unfortunately turned out to
    be the manufacturer recovery partition.

    It is only just large enough to contain the files to return your computer to
    how it was when you first powered it up plus enough free space such that the
    computer does not flash up an 'out of space' warning.

    Remove any backup files you have sent to the D drive, and all will return to
    normal again...

    If you want to do proper backups, get a one touch backup device which will
    come with its own easy to use software, or get an external USB hard drive
    and Acronis TrueImage software..


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    Mike Hall - MVP, Jul 5, 2008
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  5. No, no, no! Do *not* do that!

    Your recovery partition (D:) is one provided by the OEM who built your
    computer. It contains the files needed for you to restore Windows
    should that be necessary. They provide that in lieu of a Windows CD.

    It is not there for you to store your backups nor for you to use for
    any other purpose. In fact you should not touch it at all.

    Be aware that this is almost certainly not a separate disk, but merely
    a partition on your *only* disk. For that reason, even if you could
    store backups there, it's a terrible place for them anyway (for the
    same reason, it's not good for the files to restore Windows to be
    there, but that's all you have; don't lose it). If your drive dies,
    all your backups would die with it. If your data is important to you,
    its backups need to be on external media.

    For more information on backups, read this article on backup
    strategies I recently wrote:
    http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314

    Yes, the files that are there to restore Windows if necessary. That's
    all that should be there.


    However, I see a folder called "Backup Set
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Jul 5, 2008
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  6. Robert Judge

    richard j Guest

    I have had the same problem with RECOVERY D: being full.
    I also used the Backup routine and it filled D:

    Did you find a solution?
    Did you delete the backup from D: ?
    If so How did you do this?
    Thank you.
     
    richard j, Jul 27, 2008
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  7. On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:48:00 -0700, richard j <richard

    Two very important points here:

    1. First of all, that Recovery Partition on D: is *not* there for you
    to put backups on it. The manufacturer of your computer put it there
    in lieu of supplying you with a Windows DVD. It's there for you to
    restore the system to factory condition, should it become necessary.
    Do *nothing* with that partition other than following the
    manufacturer's instructions (if they provided them) for burning its
    contents to a DVD.

    2. Even if that (or some other) partition were available for use as
    backup, that would be the single worst and weakest form of backup
    there is. It is better than no backup at all, but just barely. It
    leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup
    to many of the most common dangers: user errors, severe power
    glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the
    computer. Real backup needs to be on media stored externally to the
    computer.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Jul 27, 2008
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  8. Robert Judge

    Stacy B. Guest

    __________
    Greetings,
    I have been recieving "low disc space, recovery D" notices for some time now
    and don't seem to be finding a fix I feel applies or that I want to risk
    trying. Is this a windows Vista Premium issue or a manufacturers (Dell 530
    inspiron) thing? Single hard drive with partician for D.

    I believe my Windows "backup" was preset to backup to "Recovery drive D"
    (why is that even an option?) for some reason and I was unwittingly using it
    as such. Now I have the disk full + message fequently.

    Is there a way to accurately and safely identify and remove my
    inappropriately "backed up" files from that disk (D)? I do have the DVD's for
    the original OS, drivers,ect.

    Also; would/should new "Windows updates" automatically be stored onto the
    "Recovery d." I have been reluctant to download them since stoage there is
    maxxed out.

    Any other options for feedback/research, or links gladly accepted.

    Thanks, Stacy B.
    ______________
     
    Stacy B., Oct 4, 2008
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  9. The recovery partition is sized by the manufacturer to hold only the
    recovery stuff and enough space such that no 'lack of space' warning is
    produced by the system..

    Windows Backup is not set by default to save to the recovery partition. What
    it does is look for any drive or partition which isn't the system drive,
    because backups should NEVER be saved to the same drive where the operating
    system is.

    In your case, the only other drive or partition just happened to be the
    recovery partition.

    To clear what you have backed up to the partition, you need to know the name
    file(s). If you are not sure, go through the process of backing something up
    and see what name is given. Cancel the backup, and then look on the recovery
    partition for something very similar. Then delete whatever you find.

    If you want to backup, either use the CD/DVD burning software, or purchase a
    one touch backup solution (external hard drive and software package).



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    Mike Hall - MVP, Oct 4, 2008
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  10. The recovery partition is *not* meant as a place for you to backup to,
    or anything else for that matter. It's a partition created by Dell for
    the sole purpose of providing a place for them to give you the files
    required to reinstall Windows. It is not there for you to do anything
    else with.

    Do not backup there, or do anything else there.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Oct 5, 2008
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  11. Robert Judge

    Stacy B. Guest

    --
    Stacy B.


    I understand what you say about not backing up anything to the recovery D.
    And I also get the idea that Recovery is maybe nothing to even tinker with so
    I haven't yet.
    I am not very experienced with the administrative options with my OS but can
    take directions: In laymans terms how would you recommend that I ID my prior
    backup files that need to be removed from "D" and step by step accomplish
    such a feat; "ultimate removal of wrong files @ RECOVERY". Can I ID my prior
    backup file names from the DVD's that I have used for recent backup?

    Links available? Sincere thanks for your assistance...Stacy B.
     
    Stacy B., Oct 5, 2008
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  12. Robert Judge

    Gerry C. Guest

    I just found this thread...thanks for all the info so far. My problem is
    that I [stupidly] deleted ALL the files in RECOVERY 'disk' D. Will system
    restore bring that back?? Otherwise, I sense that I'll have to contact Dell.
    ( Inspiron E1505 Vista Home Premium SP1)
    Thanks, all
    Gerry

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    Gerry C., Dec 27, 2008
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  13. No. Windows System Restore will not bring back the recovery partition as it
    is a creation by the manufacturer. You will indeed have to contact Dell..

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    Mike Hall - MVP, Dec 27, 2008
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  14. Robert Judge

    Malke Guest

    No, System Restore will not bring back those files. Contact Dell and order a
    recovery disk.

    Malke
     
    Malke, Dec 27, 2008
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  15. Yes, you should do that immediately, so you will have what you may
    need in advance of your needing it.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Dec 27, 2008
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    Gordon Guest


    You may also be interested in this:
    http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/windows-vista-recovery-disc-download/
     
    Gordon, Dec 30, 2008
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    xvista Guest

    xvista, Dec 16, 2009
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    Al Guest

    The system volume cannot be extended by using Disk Management.
     
    Al, Dec 16, 2009
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  19. Robert Judge

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Al.

    In some cases, the System Volume CAN be extended by Disk Management.

    From the Help file in DM:
    "For logical drives, boot, or system volumes, you can extend the volume only
    into contiguous space and only if the disk can be upgraded to a dynamic
    disk. For other volumes, you can extend the volume into noncontiguous space,
    but you will be prompted to convert the disk to dynamic."

    But, later on the same Help page:
    "You cannot extend the current system or boot partitions."

    My experience says that this Help file needs to be updated - for clarity and
    consistency, if nothing else.

    I have used DM to extend volumes, including boot volumes. I'm pretty sure
    that I've even extended the CURRENT boot volume, but I can't recall that for
    sure. Ditto with System Partitions.

    Even if we can't extend the current boot or system partitions, in a
    multi-boot system we can simply reboot into Vista to extend Win7's boot
    partition, for example, or vice versa. And if we can boot from Disk 1, we
    can then extend the non-current System Partition on Disk 0. In any case, of
    course, there must be contiguous unallocated space following the partition
    that we are extending (but see below).

    My own system has 4 HDDs, with the 3rd and 4th as a RAID 1 mirror array,
    thus Disk Management sees them as Disks 0, 1 and 2. The first partition on
    each disk is primary, marked Active, and has been used at least once to run
    Vista or Win7 Setup so that any one of the 3 can be used to boot the
    computer. If Disk 0 has a problem, I can boot from Disk 1 or 2. My BIOS
    allows me to change the boot device, of course, and it also allows me to
    change that designation on a "one time only" basis. None of these System
    Partitions contains an operating system; the rest of each HDD is an extended
    partition, divided into multiple logical drives, some of which serve as boot
    volumes for various Windows versions.

    In fact, since any non-current System Partition is "just another partition"
    to the current OS, when the first partition on Disk 0 has the System Status,
    DM will gladly extend the first partition on Disk 2. It will even offer to
    extend it dynamically onto free space on Disk 1! I have NOT tried this, so
    I'm not sure that the partition on Disk 2 would still be bootable as a
    System Partition, but Disk Management is willing to perform the extension.
    If someone tries this, I'd like to know the result!

    RC
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    R. C. White, Dec 17, 2009
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  20. Robert Judge

    Bob Guest

    The RECOVERY (D:) drive should not be used for saving documents and/or
    programs.


    in message news:...
     
    Bob, Dec 17, 2009
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